Am I nuts?
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- TheBlueOne0
How about go back to the original design, but also list the companies in a two column list in the main content area?
- noRBG0
I hear you Blue, I really do.
- liveforever0
what a shit site
- never mind the brand
plus it gives me a headacheliveforever - I'm with you. Trying to do a lot with very little.noRBG
- Make it happen. It'll all be over soon.d_rek
- less is more.NONEIS
- never mind the brand
- lukus_W0
At the risk of sounding controversial - I can see exactly what your CD is talking about. Here's why...
1. You're producing a website for a company which services appliances
2. People who visit your site will have appliances made by particular companies.
3. It's vital that the visitor to the site is able to easily identify the brand which applies to them - on first glance...
4. If they can't do this then the company in question looses business.The problem with your CD, is that they haven't instructed you with a problem .. they've tried to guide you with a (badly thought out) solution.
If you're creative director had spelt out the problem - then maybe you'd be able to agree that the way the logos are currently arranged is not an efficient way of arranging the logos. There's too much info packed into a grid .. it's difficult to differentiate the brands and to scan them. The logos don't need to be made 'bigger' but they do need to be presented in a way that will solve the problem listed above.
- *your (difficult to sound like i know what i'm talking about with bad grammar)lukus_W
- TheBlueOne0
Maybe the layout of the entire page could change to create a better fit to the message? Instead of trying to fit that all into the sidebar there...
- noRBG0
@Blue: That was my solution, totally. But that got rejected over the course of two redesigns of the site, because apparently the most important thing is the descriptor lead-in copy. But wait, I thought you said the logos were the most important thing?
Yah......
- NONEIS0
To answer your primary thesis, you are not nutz, but I would call you naive. You need to figure out when to fight your battles, and which ones are worth it. Is this site really going to be a major portfolio point for you as you move forward? Does sabotaging the direction you received whether you agree with it or not produce the best result? I have been in your position a thousand times, and you know what, eventually you just learn to roll with these punches, make the best of them, like lukas said, I completely understand the goal of the direction you received, do you know about 100% of all the client interaction on this? Do you even talk with the client? Do you know for a fact that they are not demanding this solution behind the scenes and that your boss has zero option if he wants to keep the job rolling?
It's not worth the effort you are putting into making yourself feel "right", unless of course I am wrong, and you had high hopes for this in your portfolio. Fight to the death over those projects, but this?
- JayCee0
Well take it as proof that crack doesn't smoke itself.
- redant0
Your nuttier than a squirrel turd.
Cute site.
- noRBG0
@NONEIS: You're right in most regards. I'm smart enough to pick my battles. But at the same time, I was hired with the mind-set that I would be working towards the position left open when the Interactive Director quit.
That said, I am aware that the client has not given any direction on this, and that when I started this, I was told, "You have free reign on this site."
Micro-managing my information design choices does not exactly scream free reign to me. Have I over-reacted? Possibly, but I don't really think I have.
In the end, it wasn't about feeling right necessarily, or even fighting for a good portfolio piece. What it all comes down to for me is being told to do XYZ by someone who has very very little interaction/UI design experience on a website, and even less experience with interactive as a whole.
I'm supposed to affect change for the better here in the interactive realm. How can I be expected to do that when my process, workflow, design and development strategies are being muddied up by the wrong people. If I had a seasoned supervisor with years of interactive experience under his belt telling me to make this change, it would be a lot easier to swallow.
Then again, if I had that person above me, I highly doubt this is the kind of recommendation they would make.
Thanks again to everyone for their input.
- So if you respected your boss you would implement bad design? Ego mucho :DNONEIS
- jk, I just feel like you presented a line of reasoning for a quit, maybe that's your best option.NONEIS
- Or you could try the honesty route, have you really vented everything here, to the "man"?NONEIS
- Yes. He's the kind of person who says, "My way or the highway." Unfortunately no one told me in my interview, BUTnoRBG
- everyone hates it here. They stay cause they are either over 45, or have no other options.noRBG
- noRBG0
Remember when the boss said, "I know what the client is going to want...they're going to want it in text format, and the logos for people who can't read the logos."
Talk about making the beer taste even better... this is directly from the client. This feedback wasn't even passed on to me. It was intentionally withheld from me actually. I had to beg one of the copywriters to send me the feedback, so I could see what the client said.
DIRECT QUOTE: "On the brands we serve area... do you think we need the both name and the logo?"
I'm sure that this will never be addressed.
- uberdesigner0
change them all to their real colors
- Redmond0
You're being stubborn. Typing the brands is useful. His costumers are probably in a hurry and frustrated. When I seek out info on the net, I don't enjoy "pretty presentations" and "intros" one bit. I want a solution. If the client hits crt+F for CANON, he's not gonna find what he's looking for and look elsewhere. If anything that info should be top priority.
- noRBG0
Alright Redmond, fair enough. I wouldn't say I'm being stubborn though. Then again, frak off?
- version30
neo sans or neo tech?