whiy is it
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- pascii
some clients think they're the only ones you have? as if their shitty problems are my concern every second i work?
- kult0
Because they're paying you.
;)
- it's not even the job jet...pascii
- it's true though...money talksmonospaced
- pascii0
seriously: i am doing this for 15 years now. why do i have to prove the same stupid things over and over again? i really don't understand that.
it could be so easy: you look at the body of work from someone and then you decide - "yes, i wanna do that with you" or you don't like it, and then you chose another one to work with.
- Horp0
I'm with you on this Pascii.
- pascii0
and don't get me started about "can u offer this...?", "it's a test shooting, we can't..."
- hans_glib0
clients eh? we could run a decent business if it wasn't for them...
- Horp0
Hahahah, let it all out man, just let it all out.
1. They assume that you are payroll from the very moment they feel you are 'on board' for their needs.
2. They instantly forget that they needed your talent to succeed, and instead attempt to do the project vicariously through your hands.
3. They have to see the finished thing before they know for sure if they want you to do it.
4. They will phone you up, ten minutes after you've agreed to start work, to explain that although the deadline agreed was three weeks away, they need the first visual by the morning, so can they please see some work in progress immediately.
5. They will wipe a bogey on your dreams.
- Horp0
6. They will omit something screamingly obvious and important from the brief, and then add it in as you approach the finishing line, causing a restart.
- BuddhaHat0
Unless your hourly rate is extremely low they're always horrified at the cost, and assume it means that you're available to address even their tiniest of complaints at all times of the day.
My boss is actually looking at implementing rates where the customer pays double-time to get something done same-day or looked at immediately, if they bill less than say 2-4 hours a month. Why should these pratts that give us almost no business demand our immediate attention?
- Horp0
8. They will promise to pay you on time, ride you like a lamp whore to get the work done on time, then make you mad as a rapid crackhead five months later when you can't even get them to acknowledge they ever heard of you.
- Horp0
Re: BuddhaHat
I have had all kinds of financial incentives and threats in place to cover my time and the ongoing inconvenience of prattishness. In the end though I found myself at war with every client who dicked me about and eventually found myself going into a legal battle with a major ad agency over the penalties imposed as per my contract which they had signed. In the end it proved more stressful than just charging a fee and fighting to get paid, so I dropped all the clauses again.The problem with implementing clauses against certain types of behaviour is that there is always another situation that crops up that is not covered, forcing you to add another point to your contract.
After about three years my terms of engagement contract was about 12 pages long. It drove me nuts.
- pascii0
hehe @ all. it's sometimes like comedy central ;)
- monospaced0
This is why I stopped freelancing. I'm not shrewd enough of a business guy to deal with clients by myself. But in this practice, there is no avoiding outrageous client requests and antics. I can't even add to this because it covers most of the hilarity that comes with the territory. Keep venting.
- MSL0
I hope that I am not alone when I rant about this: Work long hours to get a really nice full corp id, website and ads created, mounted and quote/proposal ready for the meeting at 9am the following day... only to be told by the cleint - 'My nephew is doing design a-level so we have let him do it all'.
Suffice to say I now refuse to do pitch work unless in extreme circumstances!