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  • allthethings0

    PART FOUR

    ‘Demoralized’
    Several officials described the post-election atmosphere at the White House as somber. “It was like a funeral parlor,” according to one official who said that work on Russia and other subjects slowed as officials began to anticipate the damage to Obama’s policies and legacy.
    Others disputed that characterization, saying that the NSC carried on with no interruption or diminution of focus. “Nobody got paralyzed by grief,” a high-ranking official said. “We all did our jobs.”
    Susan Rice declined to comment on White House deliberations or other sensitive matters but said that the administration always planned to respond to Russia, regardless of the outcome of the election. “We felt it was on our watch and that we had to do something about it. It was our responsibility,” Rice said.
    Whatever the case, work on Russia did not resume in earnest until after Thanksgiving, in part because Obama made his last foreign trip.
    Rice again ordered NSC staffers to finalize a “menu” of punitive measures to use against Moscow. The list that took shape was a distillation of ideas that had been circulating for months across three main categories: cyber, economic and diplomatic.
    Again, the discussion ran into roadblocks.
    Spy agencies wanted to maintain their penetrations of Russian networks, not expose them in a cyber-fusillade.
    Treasury Department officials devised plans that would hit entire sectors of Russia’s economy. One preliminary suggestion called for targeting technology companies including Kaspersky Lab, the Moscow-based cybersecurity firm. But skeptics worried that the harm could spill into Europe and pointed out that U.S. companies used Kaspersky systems and software.
    Several senior administration officials called for imposing sanctions on Putin personally or releasing financial records or other information that would embarrass him. Some objected that the latter proposal would send the wrong message — the United States would be engaging in the same behavior it was condemning. In any case, it was not clear how long it would take U.S. spy agencies to assemble such a Putin dossier.
    “By December, those of us working on this for a long time were demoralized,” said an administration official involved in the developing punitive options.
    Then the tenor began to shift.
    On Dec. 9, Obama ordered a comprehensive review by U.S. intelligence agencies of Russian interference in U.S. elections going back to 2008, with a plan to make some of the findings public.
    A week later, in one of Obama’s final news briefings, he expressed irritation that such a consequential election “came to be dominated by a bunch of these leaks.” He scolded news organizations for an “obsession” with titillating material about the Democrats that had dominated coverage.
    Then he unloaded on Moscow. “The Russians can’t change us or significantly weaken us,” he said. “They are a smaller country. They are a weaker country. Their economy doesn’t produce anything that anybody wants to buy, except oil and gas and arms.”
    It was a rare outburst for Obama, one that came amid a wave of internal second-guessing, finger-pointing from members of the defeated Clinton campaign, and the post-election posturing of Putin and Trump.
    There was another factor at work, however.
    Obama’s decision to order a comprehensive report on Moscow’s interference from U.S. spy agencies had prompted analysts to go back through their agencies’ files, scouring for previously overlooked clues.
    The effort led to a flurry of new, disturbing reports — many of them presented in the President’s Daily Brief — about Russia’s subversion of the 2016 race. The emerging picture enabled policymakers to begin seeing the Russian campaign in broader terms, as a comprehensive plot sweeping in its scope.
    Ben Rhodes, former deputy national security adviser, said that the DNC email penetrations were initially thought to be in the same vein as previous Russian hacking efforts against targets including the State Department and White House.
    “In many ways . . . we dealt with this as a cyberthreat and focused on protecting our cyber infrastructure,” Rhodes said in an interview. “Meanwhile, the Russians were playing this much bigger game, which included elements like released hacked materials, political propaganda and propagating fake news, which they’d pursued in other countries.”
    “We weren’t able to put all of those pieces together in real time,” Rhodes said, “and in many ways that complete picture is still being filled in.” Rhodes declined to discuss any sensitive information.
    Obama’s darkened mood, the intelligence findings and the approaching transfer of power gave new urgency to NSC deliberations. In mid-December, as Cabinet members took turns citing drawbacks to various proposals for retaliating against Russia, Susan Rice grew impatient and began cutting them off.
    “We’re not talking anymore. We’re acting,” she said, according to one participant.
    Rice moved swiftly through a list of proposals that had survived months of debate, a menu that allowed principals to vote for what one participant described as “heavy, medium and light” options.
    Among those in the Situation Room were James R. Clapper, John Brennan, John Kerry and Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe. Rice challenged them go to the “max of their comfort zones,” a second participant said.
    Economic sanctions, originally aimed only at Russia’s military intelligence service, were expanded to include the FSB, a domestic successor to the KGB. Four Russian intelligence officials and three companies with links to those services were also named as targets.
    The FBI had long lobbied to close two Russian compounds in the United States — one in Maryland and another in New York — on the grounds that both were used for espionage and placed an enormous surveillance burden on the bureau.
    [On the Eastern Shore, a 45-acre Russian compound kept its secrets close]
    The FBI was also responsible for generating the list of Russian operatives working under diplomatic cover to expel, drawn from a roster the bureau maintains of suspected Russian intelligence agents in the United States.
    Cabinet officials were prompted to vote on whether to close one Russian compound or two, whether to kick out around 10 suspected Russian agents, 20 or 35.
    Kerry laid out his department’s concerns. The U.S. ambassador to Russia, John Tefft, had sent a cable warning that Moscow would inevitably expel the same number of Americans from Moscow and that departures of that magnitude would impair the embassy’s ability to function.
    The objections were dismissed, and Susan Rice submitted a plan to Obama calling for the seizure of both Russian facilities and the expulsion of 35 suspected spies. Obama signed off on the package and announced the punitive measures on Dec. 29, while on vacation in Hawaii.
    By then, the still-forming Trump administration was becoming entangled by questions about contacts with Moscow. On or around that same day that Obama imposed sanctions, Trump’s designated national security adviser, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, told the Russian ambassador by phone that the sanctions would soon be revisited. Flynn’s false statements about that conversation later cost him his job.
    The report that Obama had commissioned was released a week later, on Jan. 6. It was based largely on the work done by the task force John Brennan had established and made public what the CIA had concluded in August, that “Putin and the Russian government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton.”
    It also carried a note of warning: “We assess Moscow will apply lessons learned from its Putin-ordered campaign aimed at the U.S. election to future influence efforts worldwide.”

  • allthethings1

    PART FIVE

    Sanctions’ ‘minimal’ impact
    The punitive measures got several days of media attention before the spotlight returned to Trump, his still-forming administration and, later, the initial rumblings of the Russia crisis that has become a consuming issue for the Trump White House.
    But the package of measures approved by Obama, and the process by which they were selected and implemented, were more complex than initially understood.
    The expulsions and compound seizures were originally devised as ways to retaliate against Moscow not for election interference but for an escalating campaign of harassment of American diplomats and intelligence operatives. U.S. officials often endured hostile treatment, but the episodes had become increasingly menacing and violent.
    In one previously undisclosed incident on July 6, a Russian military helicopter dropped from the sky to make multiple passes just feet over the hood of a vehicle being driven by the U.S. defense attache, who was accompanied by colleagues, on a stretch of road between Murmansk and Pechenga in northern Russia. The attempt at intimidation was captured on photos the Americans took through the windshield.
    An even more harrowing encounter took place the prior month, when a CIA operative returning by taxi to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow was tackled and thrown to the ground by a uniformed FSB guard. In a video aired on Russian television, the U.S. operative can be seen struggling to drag himself across the embassy threshold and onto U.S. sovereign territory. He sustained a broken shoulder in the attack.
    Though conceived as retaliation for those incidents, the expulsions were adapted and included in the election-related package. The roster of expelled spies included several operatives who were suspected of playing a role in Russia’s election interference from within the United States, officials said. They declined to elaborate.
    More broadly, the list of 35 names focused heavily on Russians known to have technical skills. Their names and bios were laid out on a dossier delivered to senior White House officials and Cabinet secretaries, although the list was modified at the last minute to reduce the number of expulsions from Russia’s U.N. mission in New York and add more names from its facilities in Washington and San Francisco.
    The compounds were even higher on the FBI’s wish list.
    At one point in the White House deliberations, intelligence analysts used aerial images of the facilities to show how they had been modified to enhance their espionage capabilities. Slides displayed in the Situation Room showed new chimneys and other features, all presumed to allow for the installation of more-sophisticated eavesdropping equipment aimed at U.S. naval facilities and the NSA headquarters at Fort Meade in Maryland.

    • You could always print it to PDF, and upload the file somewhere for us to DL.Continuity
    • Oops.Continuity
  • allthethings1

    I've been trying to post the whole story because I know WaPo has a paywall. But QBN is making me break it up into smaller and smaller bits. Sorry. Still some more to share.

    • You could always print it to PDF, and upload the file somewhere for us to DL.Continuity
    • What the fuck. You can't link it like everyone else? Jesus Christ man.monospaced
    • Just open in an incognito windowyuekit
    • I did link it, I just wasn't sure anybody could access it bc of the paywall.allthethings
  • R_Kercz-1

    Did anyone come across this when it was public? I would be very interested to see what it said about me personally.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/06…

    • give me your SS# I tell you what it said about youzaq
  • yuekit0

    Turkish schools to stop teaching evolution

    Evolution will no longer be taught in Turkish schools, a senior education official has said, in a move likely to raise the ire of the country’s secular opposition.

    Alpaslan Durmuş, who chairs the board of education, said evolution was debatable, controversial and too complicated for students.

    “We believe that these subjects are beyond their [students] comprehension,” said Durmuş in a video published on the education ministry’s website.

    https://www.theguardian.com/worl…

    • "but Religion is not debatable and is not controversial and simple for the students" he added laterzaq
    • so retarded :/ raising another generation of illiterates to run the countryGnash
    • ...and Ataturk takes another spin in his grave._niko
    • it's too bad, Turkey was a beacon of hope in the middle east now they wan to join the rest of them and be 1000 years behind the times._niko
    • mandatory headscarves are next, then might as well close all schools and universities and replace them with koran study. edrogan's master plan, to_niko
    • easily control an ignorant and malleable populace._niko
    • Oh Shit. The prime minister says the theory of evolution is both archaic and lacking sufficient evidence. But the Bible isn't. Smhmonospaced
    • I think Turks won't rise up until their teams are kicked out of uefa. Imagine Fenerbahce playing a team of sandal clad Bedouins and their goats lol_niko
  • zaq7

    someone on reddit:
    "I'm waiting for a reporter to say "Many people say there's no way you're smart enough to orchestrate the Russian meddling in the election, so you must be innocent. What do you have to say about that?" so they can record his confession."

    • haha you could seriously probably trick him into confessing like the villain in a cartoonyuekit
    • Damn, that would be fucking amazing if someone had the stones to do that!Continuity
    • Say it to him on Twitter right now FFS.monospaced
    • The biggest strategic error Dems keep making is thinking Trump is some dumb imbecile.IRNlun6
    • IRNIun13, Those are facts!!!zaq
    • The biggest mistake the republicans made is believing the bullshit lies that trump is intelligent at all.monospaced
    • Go right ahead and keep listening to your pundits and figureheads. It's working out great.IRNlun6
    • Look who's talking!!! At least I don't defend and support a moron, liar and impotent leader.monospaced
    • As if ANYONE needed a pundit to deduce that trump isn't an intelligent man. That shit is just plain obvious, even to dim people.monospaced
    • mistake one, underestimating your enemies. mistake two, unquestioning trust in your "allies."IRNlun6
    • the hysteria and mounting loses on your side should be red flags that your strategy is a losing one.IRNlun6
    • Please tell me you actually believe Trump is smart. Omfg please type that. Just so I can estimate the level of gullibility of a trumptard.monospaced
    • and lo fucking l at implying that trump is MY enemy or that I have political allies. You're fucking insane dude. And brainwashed.monospaced
    • Keep listening to your pundits and alt right talking heads. It hasn't worked out for you and never will. But it sure keeps you fired up.monospaced
    • Mistake #1. Believing trump is a smart man ONLY because he says so, ignoring the FACT that he struggles to think, write, or speak in complete sentences.monospaced
    • That belief, my confused special friend, is the ridiculous one.monospaced
  • allthethings2

    https://theintercept.com/2017/06…

    PROMINENT DEMOCRATIC FUNDRAISERS REALIGN TO LOBBY FOR TRUMP’S AGENDA

    I'm even more pissed about this. Well, equally pissed. We need to get money out of politics, yes, but it's past time for progressives to align with candidates who are actually progressive.

    • swampy as fuck ... trump lied about draining it, and this is proofmonospaced
  • allthethings1

    Nevada R senator Dean Heller, up for reelection in 2018, says he opposes the current GOP health care bill. An hour later, a PAC that Pence has been fundraising for announces a 7-figure ad buy against Heller. Might be a bluff, at least for now.

  • sted5

    President Trump’s Lies, the Definitive List

    https://www.nytimes.com/interact…

    • If someone rounds a number to 15 from 11. That doesn't constitute as a lie. You'd think the NYTimes would have more credibility.omg
    • Unless the number was -7zaq
    • You're dealing with mass delusional hyper reality fostered by the media and folks just buying in on it.omg
    • just got my tickets to
      The Lie-a-palooza 2017
      Ramanisky2
    • omg love his supreme leader oh so much, it's cute.inteliboy
    • lol. Doesn't it also make sense that the page refers to itself as an "opinion" page because it doesn't contain any facts, but rather skewed lies and delusion.omg
    • Hey omg. It's a list of trump quotes. All of them 100% real, dated and cited. There's no opinion involved. Are you that moronic?monospaced
    • so why is the word "opinion" hung so high above the headline for everyone to see if it's not opinion? Perhaps title and content go together?omg
    • Doesn't change the fact that they're all factual quotes.monospaced
    • If you actually clicked on it you'd see there is the OPINION that trumps lies are a behavior not fit for the president. Your opinion is that you don't care.monospaced
  • utopian3

    Donald Trump Is Reckless, Erratic And Incompetent, According To Business Leaders Around the World

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/donal…

    • authoritarian, narcissistic, antagonistic, erratic, reckless, self-absorbed, unconventional. These are the same words business leaders used with Steve Jobs.omg
    • At some point, omg, your troll efforts have to get exhausting. How do you keep up, and more importantly, why?mg33
    • omg - Steve Jobs was all those things and possibly not a great human being like your orange man Trump. But he got away with it because he was a genius andfadein11
    • Facts and reality. Just because you disagree or can't handle the truth, doesn't make it a trolling effort. I don't see how just "one" person can tire you out soomg
    • changed the world for the better.fadein11
    • Steve Jobs wasn't a massive fuck up and emotional basketcase who barely registers as an adult and who also happens to be the President of the US. Try again.face_melter
    • Steve Jobs was a massive fuck up and emotional basket case who barely registered as an adult and who also happened to be the CEO of Apple.omg
    • Steve Jobs also wasn't a raging cunt and a sweating ball of wax.face_melter
    • Steve jobs rage was a bit infamous.omg
    • fadein11 - I thought great human beings were the ones who change the world for the better.omg
    • The russians did it. I thought he was being impeached last weekDillinger
    • ^LOLRamanisky2
    • Steve Jobs isn't president you moron.monospaced
    • And lol at comparing the two men. Trump has and never will achieve anything on par with what Steve and Apple did.monospaced
    • "Think Different" vs "Make America Great Again" were two very strong campaigns on par with each other.omg
    • "Make America Great" - Ronald Reaganutopian
    • Steve didn't create that campaign you dumb shit. Next.monospaced
    • Lol it goes right over omg's head that we never wanted Steve Jobs as president, eithernb
    • omg is such a dullard.nb
    • Steve very much helped and worked on that campaign along with TBWA\Chiat\Dayomg
    • ...and the slogan has been widely taken as a response to IBM's slogan "Think"omg
    • Hey omg you forgot "incompetent", the most important term in the list.nb
    • Why is omg talking about advertising campaigns? Is he serious or mentally challenged? a slogan isn't relevant to his obvious incompetence or unintelligencemonospaced
    • Steve was a business leader and innovator. Trump just slaps his name on things. Never even had a public company that didn't go bankrupt.monospaced
    • you said Trump never achieved anything on par with Steve, and I simply provided an example in an area that you must have forgotten.omg
    • A campaign is more than a slogan. And Trump was able to deliver the entire campaign without falling over himself. Meaning both his feet were working to deliveromg
    • Unlike...
      https://www.youtube.…
      omg
  • Ramanisky22
  • Ramanisky24

    • Fat, lonely old cunt.BusterBoy
    • He has no wrists.teh
    • Ewnb
    • soon.utopian
    • If you are "With Her", Chelsea Clinton would not appreciate the fat shaming going on in here.omg
    • This isn't fat shamingmonospaced
    • http://filmfamine.co…utopian
    • omg jerking himself to this image, no doubt. Touching his own fat body and dreaming of one day becoming leader without merit.nb
    • Trump is 6'3" right? Think about how fat you have to be to look like this at 6'3! Anyone wanna guess his weight?nb
    • http://i.imgur.com/h…dorf
  • omg-5

    Children of Darkness - non-fiction television - Liberalism and Mental Health Issues

    • we don't understand young people. there for they must be mental ill.pango
    • Lol, omg thinks people protesting and speaking for what they believe in is "mental disorder" and that people speaking politically should be hospitalized!!nb
    • Is omg a clown or a fascist? You decide!nb
    • people really need to stop giving so much attention to all these morons, be it right wing racists or leftist SJW snowflakes. it's fucking annoying.inteliboy
    • lol, this was pretty well done.Gnash
    • i lol'd.renderedred
    • haha... i lol'd too... violent little fucksPonyBoy
  • nb5

    The sad thing is, the omg's of America are winning. The fat, stupid, below-average people all somehow got together and elected a fat, stupid, incompetent man to lead.

    You can say whatever you want to omg and his type of people. Present fact, quote the president, historical arguments, whatever, they will come back at you with complete nonsense like accusations of fat-shaming and talk of Hillary Clinton or Chelsea Clinton (!!!) and there is nothing you can do to argue because it's all just nonsense coming from them. The Republicans can steal healthcare, killing god knows how many people, and transfer that money directly to the wealthiest people, and STILL registered Republicans will think of them as the party of low taxes and fiscal responsibility. It makes no fucking sense anymore.

    Moderate intelligent conservatives fled the Republican party and now moderate intelligent centrists are fleeing both parties and all you have left is the idiots on the far ends of the spectrum and the idiots have taken over the country.

    Good luck, America. You need a miracle.

    • "The fat, stupid, below-average people..." hhmmm, can't quite figure out why Dems keep losing.IRNlun6
    • ^no shit... Lefties!! LOOK IN THE MIRROR and listen to how you berate the other side... ... you will then understand why you keep losing. You're outnumbered...PonyBoy
    • ...try appealing to your opponent and persuading them to your side instead of talking shit and telling them you think they're morons if you want a better resultPonyBoy
    • lol @ pony - like Trump voters don't belittle the other side.fadein11
    • If you're running to win why would you literally put-down the CONSTITUENTS of your opponent? Attack your opponent all day... but if you're looking for...PonyBoy
    • ... votes from the other side's constituents you might not want to speak of them as if they're all dumb racist hicks... ... just a thought. ;)PonyBoy
    • I'm not talking about what your average dork (us) says on social media / in public, fade...I'm talking about candidates looking for votes from the other side...PonyBoy
    • ... the left is in a whirlwind of loserdom right now... ever since the Tea Party showed up. Instead of listening / working w/those that don't share their...PonyBoy
    • ...POV (again, talking about the voters... not fellow politicians)... politicians on the left point-blank put down anyone in 'flyover country' as racist etc.PonyBoy
    • Keep that bullshit up and you can kiss any 'progressive' agenda goodbye. Start APPEALING to those whose votes you need ffs.PonyBoy
    • lol , ALL trump does is talk shit about anyone who criticizes him, including those people who actually know what they're taking aboutmonospaced
    • lol, what's funny is most of the people who talk shit about Trump, don't actually know what they're talking about. And if they do, all they do is talk shit.omg
    • Yes they do omg. Trump is as transparent are careless as they come. All you have to do is load his twitter feed to find easy ways to talk shit either knowledge.monospaced
    • with knowledge. The idiot begs for t daily and then lies he next day. It's insane and not fit for a leader.monospaced
    • Read the post here. It's literally about how you ignore the truth despite it being in your face. That you're not capable of coherent discussionmonospaced
    • You're just proving HIM right. Lol.monospaced
    • All this proves is nb is still butt hurt, and he still has no president. He joins the ranks of Antifa while fat shaming everyone who is less superior than him.omg
    • Yet nb wants to talk about truth and facts, but still can't handle the truth, probably due to the fact that nothing makes sense to him.omg
    • no .. this post is about you doing exactly this, which is what you're provingmonospaced
  • omg-7

    Trump Trolls Media with Three Unanswered Questions about the Democrats and Russia

    On June 22, President Donald Trump raised three unanswered questions about the Democratic Party and the Obama administration’s role in claims that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election.

    1 – Why did the Democratic National Committee (DNC) turn down FBI requests to inspect its hacked servers?

    2 – Why was the DNC uninterested in assistance from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to secure DNC servers?

    3 – Why did the Obama administration wait until October before going public with claims that Russia was attempting to interfere in the 2016 presidential election?

    • You asks a lot of question Donald. And not a lot of answers. Not very charismatic.pango
    • omg is in love with trump. cute!inteliboy
    • I guess you really are just posting shit without any forethought or knowledge of the subject i hand. Carry on.face_melter
    • Read this. Or don't until the next Garrison cartoon shows up.
      https://twitter.com/…
      face_melter
  • scruffics3

    just actually sat through that whole video of Trump's last rally. Too many funny bits but the one where he had to explain to the crowd in simple terms what a GPA is was pure comedic genius.

  • monospaced3

    It only took 34 words for Senate Republicans to strip away maternity care, mental health benefits, and ambulatory services.

    http://theweek.com/speedreads/70…

    • It strips away the "requirements", meaning you can be part of a singles health plan that doesn't also charge you for parental care if you don't need them.omg
    • Is that right?monospaced
    • You see, that's bullshit. Pregnancy is just one of 10 things it removes. It also removes emergency services and ambulatory care. Rehab, etc. not just pregnancy.monospaced
    • Yes, you might be able to sign up for a Singles & Mental Health Issue Plan that provides the services you may need without the additional costs for breeding.omg
    • might? what the hell are you talking about?monospaced
    • Who knows what competitive packages insurance companies will offer now that they're not "required" by law to offer them.omg
    • keep sucking that trump dick omg.inteliboy
    • So you're only speculating and don't actually know if anything you're saying is true. Got it.monospaced
    • meanwhile we're reading the ACTUAL BILLmonospaced
    • again, it strips away the "requirements", correcting your original bullshit introductory. I only provided an example of how it can improve your insurance plan.omg
    • listen to yourselfmonospaced
    • by not requiring then companies can't leverage the economies of scale for that service. therefore, it will become more expensive to offer.dorf
    • It means the policies will cover less and be more expensive for when you actually need coverage. Fuck you if you're pregnant tho.monospaced
    • Mono, if you become pregnant, you could just switch to a different plan. Doesn't make sense to pay for 60 lifetimes of babies if you're only having one.omg
    • Maybe it would be cheaper, $500 instead of $1000 for example. But before you'd be paying $500 every year at 18 for the rest of your life.omg
    • I'd rather pay $1000 (even if pricier) than pay $30,000 over a 60 year period.omg
    • That's not true. You can't get sick and THEN get insurance; that's literally the one thing you can't do. That's the issue everyone has with the pre existingmonospaced
    • conditions! The whole point of a singles non pregnant plan is that it DOES NOT cover pregnancy. It's way more expensive f you have that "condition" you dumbfuckmonospaced
    • also your numbers make no sense; it's like you have never had or used health insurance before almostmonospaced
    • Under the AHCA, pregnancy, along with rape or domestic violence is not classified as a precondition.omg
    • Pregnancy is more expensive unless you get the folks who are NOT having babies paying for it. Your logic is sound.omg
    • It's not only strange that you'd classify pregnancy as a sickness, but how you expect others outside of that group of baby makers to pay for your baby.omg
    • I'm not classifying pregnancy as illness. The bill is you dunce.monospaced
    • What's strange is that you think someone can get pregnant and then change their plan. This bill makes pregnancy a pre existing condition you asshole.monospaced
    • Pregnancy is a covered right everywhere except under this new plan, designed ONLY to give corporations tax breaks. It's swampy as fuck and you don't care at allmonospaced
    • So the plan is for corporations to spend money on people, which in exchange will get tax breaks. You probably prefer they spend nothing.omg
    • So how does a company get tax breaks if they don't cover pregnancy? Tell me how your swampy logic works hereomg
    • I'm not wrong dude.monospaced
    • They offer smaller policies that cover less with less responsibility and a lower tax burden, all at the expense of a shitteir policiy that covers less. Simple.monospaced
    • You're talking about a lower end product that may possibly have all the features most would want from a health insurance plan.omg
    • What you're not including is that for 2018, individuals will be able to double their savings from the current $3400 to $6650 and $13300 for familiesomg
    • So if they need more coverage, they can use their savings to upgrade and add needed features to their plan.omg
    • Also when you say the rich get tax breaks. That's because they were getting charged an additional 2.35% for Medicare surtax.omg
    • So really they're paying the same surtax as everyone else which is 0%. It's like paying more $ for the same burger at McDonalds because you make more.omg
    • Now that it's equal can you really say they're getting tax breaks?omg
    • lol use savings??? that's the issuemonospaced
  • oey0

    this health insurance plan...
    it's just a way to get rid of poor people, right?

    like in twenty years half of them will be dead.
    thing is, who are they gonna explore to profit their money?

    seriously, isn't this actually an extermination plan?

  • Ramanisky24

    lols

  • Ramanisky23

    • Poor kid, hopefully Trump will fix... but why didnt Obama fix ACA before he left?? He kinda skirted out of office...robotron3k
    • have you forgotten who controlled the senate during that time?dorf
    • Damn that obama. He's always fucking shit up. Let's not use the Senate as an excuse crutch.omg
    • ^ LOLzRamanisky2