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- whatthefunk4
- Somethings will never absorb into the minds of these delicate snowflakes.utopian
- it isn't about gw but u know "science bitch":
https://en.wikipedia…sted - Wrong! Tthe industrial age actually began around 1760.omg
- Next time a denier says the science agrees that man isn't contributing to client change, ask for them to explain and watch the stupidity ensue.monospaced
- Haha. Client change. Derp.monospaced
- http://thefederalist…deathboy
- thats my beef, its not so much science as is its models on data points that should take a little lesson from karl popperdeathboy
- climate modelers are much like wallstreet models using data of past observations for to predict future trades, usually all very short sighted and wrongdeathboy
- and than throw in the market forces behind these models. who pays for them? they're not free. And we wonder how much model is bias, and for whom.deathboy
- the science of data models, get a sad chuckle out of medeathboy
- models about the future are problematic, of course, but you cannot deny the science based on the past, correct? Hence, trend...whatthefunk
- yeah those greedy scientists! screw them!inteliboy
- fuck those fat cat obnoxious scientists in their rich mansions whoring their bullshit data models! assholes.inteliboy
- like the ice core data that seems to show trends on 100k cycles? yea i'd say we are probably in one of those warming trends which will eventually peakdeathboy
- and we'll come down on the cooling side. and we will adapt or die, sure humans play a role but i think our role is over evaluated, and i think ppl aredeathboy
- mainly using the fear for profit, and i question the expenses and harm this fear has vs real climate changesdeathboy
- i think one must always be skeptical on this topic because it is so easy to take advantage of b/c the way ppl have been taught to think about itdeathboy
- and also ppl need to think of relative scale. we could be talking cycles were are lives are but a blink. theories of pole reversals, and solar system phenomenadeathboy
- It doesn't give you any pause to consider that every single person on the planet who studies this for a living completely disagrees with you?monospaced
- most current stuff just reminds me of jim kramer and followers seem to follow on blind faith. like cant challenge or ask. maybe this fascination is just a trenddeathboy
- Hopefully this anti-progress thing is just a trend, the final 'peak' now and then they all dieformed
- you use the phrase "I think" twice: “Belief is a very peculiar thing: we tend to put more store in a belief we like than a fact we hate”whatthefunk
- I find it humorous that I felt the best place for a climate post was in a politics thread - a sad truth nowadays...whatthefunk
- and btw, mono - client change is an equally devastating trend that needs to be curbed "I think the logo should be bigger..." ;)whatthefunk
- it's astonishing the amount of people who seem to be climate experts, or decide the way they feel or believe about the matter is what counts.inteliboy
- "don't worry guise, I looked into it" - every climate change denier.inteliboy
- i think is more important than i feel. and it doesnt surpise me u posted in politics at all because it justifies my point its more political than realdeathboy
- its more ideology instead of science. more feelers than truth. do u think we are in a warming cycle that existed before humans what?deathboy
- or do u prefer to believe the humans created the cycles?deathboy
- and @mono start thinking for yourselfdeathboy
- everyone in nazi germany knew jews were terrible mono. it was the popular belief. Same with the world is flat. start thinking for yourself based on reasondeathboy
- or u know @what explain to me how climate scientists are not the same as jim cramer econ scientists. what makes them different?deathboy
- doesn't sound like you're interested in the facts, so what's the point of a debate here?inteliboy
- Seriously. These aren't predictions these are actual measurements. I AM thinking for myself but I'm not ignoring the facts like some people.monospaced
- And comparing stock performance predictions to climate change scientists is beyond stupid. You've already shown how you don't understand the markets at all.monospaced
- The only reason climate change is political AT ALL is because religious alt right jerks keep denying it in favor of fossil fuel and prayer.monospaced
- Politicians are lobbying against renewable energy and climate change science because it kills profits and goes against gods plan. Keep religion out of politics.monospaced
- So we are equating the reporting of climate change with nazi propaganda against a people? *slow clap* Fuck you, deathboy. Fuck you until your eyes bleed.face_melter
- ^ indeed.fadein11
- Flat Earther's Uniteutopian
- The climate changes all the time. I'm still for clean energy and self-driving cars for the future.omg
- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ guess some ppl cant even think outside what they belief. and face don't get hsotile it was just a defense against a argumentum ad populum statementdeathboy
- perhaps if any of you are involved in media, you can think of it as analytics, how you report growth to a client, how you choose to frame your bias.deathboy
- Humans ruin everything, I wish things were better like in the past.robotron3k
- and mono are u blind to all the lobbying for green energy for pure profit. u think they're doing it for anything else?deathboy
- and market predictions and climate predictions are a lot a like. if you say they're not can u explain why not.deathboy
- Deniers gonna denyutopian
- 'the models' as you try and accuse are actually very simple —
more heat in system = more energy = bad weather + ocean rise + acidifcation.detritus - the complexity and unassuredness only comes from models which try to repeatedly predict the future, but even they are not massively in question, by consensus.detritus
- but can a simple model be worth a damn for complex systems? id say no. But if it supported my financial aims id say yes.deathboy
- just an example if you build a model on a mean temperature of 3-5 years in a single area, do you ignore factors that may distort the mean, or is it a global meadeathboy
- n, do we simply take a 5-10 yr mean and compare to previous 20 year avg. its so complex. we likely cant tell if billions spent have done a single thing, anddeathboy
- im guessing that thing we ultimately want is to stop climate change which is a fictional thing like heaven. so many parallels with today's science & religiondeathboy
- yuekit3
China seizes US underwater drone in South China Sea in response to Trump's comments on Taiwan
http://www.atimes.com/article/ch…
Trump responds
- Unpresidented?!?monospaced
- Remember when Trump supporters said we could only prevent WW3 by electing Trump? That was a good one!yuekit
- Is that one of his "best words?"monospaced
- trump should be unpresidented himselfmonospaced
- jesus, get him off twitter!Gnash
- lol monoterry_cloth
- http://i.imgur.com/e…utopian
- moldero3
LOL Trump Lets the Truth Come Out
- regardless of the content, this guy is supremely un-funnyterry_cloth
- he's no John Stewart that's for suremoldero
- agreed, he was popular in S.Africa, but his humour hasn't translated well to Comedy Channel, I've lost interest in that show.BuddhaHat
- Trump is funny enough.monospaced
- Elon Musk is a better representative of South Africa. IQ levels gets degraded with Trevor Noah and his believers.omg
- omfgmonospaced
- BusterBoy4
Real shining beacon of humility for all Americans to aspire to.
- "you people..screaming..n...
- Fucking Helmetutopian - you couldn't make this shit upinteliboy
- I guess he forgot the part where he was also chanting those things.monospaced
- "you people..screaming..n...
- sted3
- sted4
wanted to post this
- monospaced5
Really? That would be unpresidented.
- The structure, the punctuation, the understanding of the situation -- it makes for one one his worst sentences of all time.monospaced
- whatthefunk1
Is Donald Trump Mentally Ill? 3 Professors of Psychiatry Ask President Obama to conduct “a full medical and neuropsychiatric evaluation”
President Barack Obama
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500November 29, 2016
Dear President Obama,
We are writing to express our grave concern regarding the mental stability of our President-Elect. Professional standards do not permit us to venture a diagnosis for a public figure whom we have not evaluated personally. Nevertheless, his widely reported symptoms of mental instability — including grandiosity, impulsivity, hypersensitivity to slights or criticism, and an apparent inability to distinguish between fantasy and reality — lead us to question his fitness for the immense responsibilities of the office. We strongly recommend that, in preparation for assuming these responsibilities, he receive a full medical and neuropsychiatric evaluation by an impartial team of investigators.
Sincerely,
Judith Herman, M.D.
Professor of Psychiatry
Harvard Medical SchoolNanette Gartrell, M.D.
Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry
University of California, San Francisco (1988-2011)
Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School (1983-87)Dee Mosbacher, M.D., Ph.D.
Assistant Clinical Professor
Department of Community Health Systems
University of California, San Francisco (2005-2013)The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM - 5, Cluster B) for “Narcissistic Personality Disorder” by The American Psychiatric Association (APA)
- Assistant professors and the fucking DSM?! This has lame and butt hurt written all over it. Sorry.monospaced
- Even a psych professor must be smart enough to know Obama can't actually mandate an impartial exam on Trump. The idea is incredibly naive.monospaced
- Investigators? I don't believe that's what doctors refer to themselves as. This just reeks of being completely fake.monospaced
- Well, it is on HufPo so who's to say but I support the sentiment regardless...whatthefunk
- I guess the idea is just to have it out there, same as a "birthers" distraction.zaq
- OMG!utopian
- I guess. It just seems like such a weak ass, cliche, unprofessional naive request to have actually made it to the public.monospaced
- You're applying sound logic to an illogical subject and we've learned that approach seldom resonates anymore...whatthefunk
- @zaq = exactly, why the hell not. Fight fire with fire...whatthefunk
- Well I don't consider referencing the dsm on NPD as sound logic either. Have you read that checklist?monospaced
- Yes, that checklist also applies to most creative directors I've worked with ;)whatthefunk
- Exactly.monospaced
- Still, doesn't render it untrue at all...whatthefunk
- Likewise, this letter doesn't make it true either.monospaced
- http://www.slate.com…whatthefunk
- whatthefunk0
How to help Trump
Without knowing it, many Democrats, progressives and members of the news media help Donald Trump every day. The way they help him is simple: they spread his message.
Think about it: every time Trump issues a mean tweet or utters a shocking statement, millions of people begin to obsess over his words. Reporters make it the top headline. Cable TV panels talk about it for hours. Horrified Democrats and progressives share the stories online, making sure to repeat the nastiest statements in order to refute them. While this response is understandable, it works in favor of Trump.
When you repeat Trump, you help Trump. You do this by spreading his message wide and far.
This illustrates one of the most important principles of framing a debate: When arguing against the other side, don’t use their language because it evokes their frame and not the frame you seek to establish. Never repeat their charges! Instead, use your own words and values to reframe the conversation.
- i love how liberals explain things to each other as if they are talking to young childrenterry_cloth
- we forget we're debating with Republicans who think like young children, helps to remember how to speak to them...whatthefunk
- convoluted nonsense is convolutedterry_cloth
- utopian4
- I keep checking to see if these posts from Donald's twitter on QBN are real. Going to checking. :/bklyndroobeki
- it was Made in China, and it failed because it's Made in China, let them have it.fruitsalad
- It is xmas after all.."seasons greetings here's a drone for you, heard it was the hot xmas gift this year, yours, Trump"fruitsalad
- Yeah let them keep it...that'll show them!yuekit
- “”这个无人机会自毁，除非你给我们100... - 王牌
translation:
"...this drone will self destruct unless you give us 1000 jobs." - Trumpomg - Damnit Donny. If you want to tell china that just fucking tell them. They have Twitter too if that is how you want handle relation. I know, it's unpresidented.monospaced
- Small hands = twitter fingersbklyndroobeki
- BusterBoy3
What kind of a moron would feel the need to retweet this? An insecure, narcissistic dolt.
- whatthefunk1
The mind of Donald Trump
The real psychological wild card, however, is Trump’s agreeableness—or lack thereof. There has probably never been a U.S. president as consistently and overtly disagreeable on the public stage as Donald Trump is. If Nixon comes closest, we might predict that Trump’s style of decision making would look like the hard-nosed realpolitik that Nixon and his secretary of state, Henry Kissinger, displayed in international affairs during the early 1970s, along with its bare-knuckled domestic analog.
Research shows that people low in agreeableness are typically viewed as untrustworthy. Dishonesty and deceit brought down Nixon and damaged the institution of the presidency.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magaz…
Wow, that was a loooong read but insightful. This is a fascinating topic to investigate as those psychologically profiling Trump are picking up on some alarming traits...
- scarabin4
- If the U.S. intended to control that part of the ocean on the other side of the globe maybe they shouldn't have started calling it "the South China Sea"yuekit
- It's not the US wanting to control that sea or naming it. It's international waters actually, not the property of just one government.monospaced
- Trump was totally right, it's unprecedented to snag up a science drone right under the noses of the guys picking it up, with no reason nor authority to do so.monospaced
- Tweeting about it is just bad form though. It wasn't insightful or really that meaningful of an opinion. It was like a bad news report. So odd.monospaced
- The authority is a bit hazy because China claims control over a larger area of those waters than the U.S. acknowledges.yuekit
- I was just pointing out the PR difficulty created by trying to claim something named after China does not belong to China :)yuekit
- Now imagine if China was contesting an area called the South U.S. Sea...and floating thousands of surveillance drones there.yuekit
- You're totally right. Is the US actually contesting control of that sea though? And isn't the name mostly to do with geography, like the Indian Ocean?monospaced
- It's not Indias ocean. I believe many nations trade through the South China Sea, agreeing and requiring it to be treated as international watersmonospaced
- I wasn't aware there were thousands of drones though. That is weird.monospaced
- Imagine if Mexico claimed ownership of the Gulf of Mexico.monospaced
- Yeah fair point :)... I wasn't being entirely serious about that part.yuekit
- I do think the U.S. press continually leaves out our own military presence in these regions. They make it look like something like this comes out of nowhere.yuekit
- whatthefunk4
- If professors and engineers made better leaders, Woz should have been made CEO of Apple.omg
- The current secretary of energy looks like prince Valium in Spaceballs.
https://lifetimewow.…omg - omg, gracing us with his presence, impeccable logic and insight.dorf
- lol @ a D in Meats classGnash
- lol @ omg completely missing the point, again, and defending the decision to break the tradition of appointing someone with an education to the postmonospaced
- if ALL that mattered was breaking tradition, I bet you'd be okay with Trump appointing an ACTUAL circus clown to the position, as long as it's not a scientistmonospaced
- Q: why haven't these brilliant Secretary of Energy dudes don't jack since sitting in office? A: because they are lame goofballsrobotron3k
- Q: why do robotron and other choose to ignore all progress made over the last decade in regards to energy efficiency, from power to vehiclesmonospaced
- ? A: because blinded by faith in Trump and the lies being fed to them. Plus a heavy dose of fear of science and progress.monospaced
- The only cow farting science Mono understands is that ice melts and the weather changes everywhere. BAM! Science.omg
- The most alarming issue is that the Secretary of Energy shares the same haircut as the Quaker Oats guy.omg
- and there's omg, right on schedule to perfectly prove my point ... thanks troubled little buddymonospaced
- lol at omg making fun of someones hair to discredit them when trump's hair makes Ernest's look good.kona
- If you think Ernest's hair looks good, then you must prefer the steel cut.omg
- argumentum ad hominem. classy.dorf
- What do you think Trump's hair looks like omg? I'm curious to know.kona
- considering Trump is rich, logic would say that his hair is perfect, because why would a rich guy not have perfect hair?monospaced
- that's the logic people like omg use to justify why Trump should be President, and why someone with a bad education can be secretary of energymonospaced
- Where's the logic for the folks who created Apple and Microsoft were both dropouts.omg
- Einstein was another drop out who failed at schoolomg
- Newton, Thomas Edison, Charles Darwin, to name a few others who had huge issues in education.omg
- your comparison is laughably stupid, and the fact you keep making it well ... it says a lot about you ... and let's just admit it already: you're yuri, right?monospaced
- I am not Yuri, but it sounds like he made a legendary place in your heart.omg
- that's exactly what yuri would saymonospaced
- Lol. How would you know, unless you were actually Yuri.omg
- The fact that you can't figure that out means you are definitely on yuris level of comprehension for sure.monospaced
- yuekit1
This is a good analysis...suggesting that China is not just trying to provoke or respond to Trump but wants to see what the U.S. is doing with these drones in the first place.
It's a commercially available drone but no doubt altered in some way by U.S. military.
- sted0
- he was a turkish cop. things are not going well over thereGnash
- Crazy
https://twitter.com/…yuekit - "We die in Aleppo, you die here" gunman quoted yellingGnash
- Watching the news around this since it happened and hour ago, it isn't looks goodsted
- -dsted
- All signs point to it being a lone shooter who acted on his own agenda.yuekit
- It's a tragedy that someone was shot (and crazy moment capture on video), but I don't think it's exactly the beginning of WW3 as some are saying.yuekit
- https://pbs.twimg.co…sted
- You gotta love gunsutopian
- yuekit how WW1 started?sted
- wait... he's not in the States... where'd he get a gun?!! </sarcasm>PonyBoy
- PonyBoy he is/was a policemansted
- sted... I used a <sarcasm> tag... c'mon
:)PonyBoy
