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Last post: 2 months, 2 weeks ago | Thread started: Sep 4, 08, 2:50 p.m.

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• Marcelom

  Is there any way I can make every character with his own box, but automatically within illustrator (see pic). For kerning proposes.

  

  
  Thanks.

  Sep 4, 08, 2:50 p.m. – Permalink

• flashbender

  sexist. why are all your characters male?

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 2:50 p.m. – Permalink

• Marcelom

  Are not my characters ;)

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 2:51 p.m. – Permalink

• magnificent_ruin

  I don't undertand the meaning of your question

  • He wants to automatically generate bounding boxes around objects in illy.– ismith1/2

    lol– moamoa2/2

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 2:53 p.m. – Permalink

• moamoa

  this is a wrong way to set a good kerning

  • +1/1000 em– duckofrubber1/2

    c´mon moamoa show us your knokledge!– Marcelom2/2

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 2:54 p.m. – Permalink

• Marcelom

  moamoa, tell us how is the correct way.
  Thanks

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 3:17 p.m. – Permalink

• ismith

  Actually I'd like to know an answer to this... not for kerning, but for other things.

  • arty– Marcelom

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 3:20 p.m. – Permalink

• d_rek

  you shouldn't be considering the the 'box' at all when kerning letters.
  Good kerning is really just knowing what combinations of letters need it and having an eye for it. Some type families have excellent built in kerning tables - while others are poor. One of the best tips I received in regards to kerning was to take the type that I thought I had set well and knock it out of a black background as well as looking at it on white bg. This will give you a good idea of the space around the letterforms - what you should really be looking at.

  • Thanks– Marcelom

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 3:31 p.m. – Permalink

• 5timuli

  Nope.

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 3:33 p.m. – Permalink

• gramme

  Well there are two ways to kern, and neither of them are what you have up top, Marcelom. The first way is to do it from within a text box, using the tracking and kerning tools in your type window. The second way is to convert the letters to outlines and nudge them around with the horizontal arrow keys. Under preferences, you can tweak your moves to be small or large.

  Also, looking at it upside down, at a distance, and squinting helps – all exercises to help you see the spaces in and around letters better.

  Always, always always print it out. Don't trust what you see on screen, the backlit glare messes with everything.

  • Thanks, I know how to kern, I just ask about the technics.– Marcelom1/2

    agree with gramme's words. always print it out!– skser2/2

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 3:38 p.m. – Permalink

• Nairn

  Squint. A lot.

  • D-mn you, Gramme.– Nairn1/3

    You've been grammed.– gramme2/3

    Gramme you, damn.– gramme3/3

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 3:39 p.m. – Permalink

• gramme

  On a sidebar, I have found that picking up a pencil and drawing letters has done far more for my kerning ability than anything else. When you draw letters, you are forced to consider the space around them more carefully. Knowing whether to add or detract space, or when to create a ligature can only be learned through sheer dint of practice. Nobody has ever popped out of the womb with an expert eye for kerning.

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 3:41 p.m. – Permalink

• MrOneHundred

  Yes!

  Duplicate the character directly on top of itself, convert it to outlines, go Effect> Convert to Shape> Rectangle. Click the Relative radio button and make the extra Width 0 and 0. Click OK. Go to Object> Expand. Flip the fill and stroke in the tool bar and you’re golden.

  Fuck, I’m good.

  BTW that convert to shape box is a bit flaky, so you might have to undo and re-apply a couple of times.

  • sounds like a painful, more cumbersome method than tried and true methods– d_rek1/3

    Record it as an action. No pain whatsoever!– MrOneHundred2/3

    Ok, +Actions =D– d_rek3/3

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 3:56 p.m. – Permalink

• MrOneHundred

  So d_rek, what are the tried and true methods?

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 4 p.m. – Permalink

• d_rek

  Elements of Typographic Style, anyone?
  http://www.amazon.com/Elements-T…

  Also, Designing Type by Karen Cheng
  http://www.amazon.com/Designing-…

  • Good one, d_rek.– pylon1/2

    Bringhurst = My Hero :D– NONEIS2/2

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 4:02 p.m. – Permalink

• MrOneHundred

  Dude, did you read the first post? Marcelom wasn’t asking how to kern, he/she/it was asking how to automatically… ah, fuck it.

  • In Illustrator or InDesign, just set kerning to Optical. It's usually accurate enough.– pylon

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 4:04 p.m. – Permalink

• pylon

  Your eyes and knowing where the piece is going to be deployed are the best method.
  Billboard at the side of the highway? Slightly roomy tracking.
  Magazine headline? Suck it in a bit and pay close attention to your ascenders and decenders, line to line.

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 4:07 p.m. – Permalink

• MrOneHundred

  THIS THREAD IS NOT ASKING HOW TO KERN!!!! READ THE FIRST FUCKING POST!!!!! AND READ MY FUCKING FANTASTIC SOLUTION 5 POSTS AGO AND GIVE ME THE DEW KUDOS!

  • blue pills.
    remember to take the blue pills.– pylon1/2

    YES!!! THANK YOU BLUEONE!!! YOU ARE A HERO!!!– ismith2/2

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 4:17 p.m. – Permalink

• MrOneHundred

  I demand satisfaction.

  

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• magnificent_ruin

  kudos, mr100. now let me go back and ignore thr eal point of the htread and say this: don't bother. clients don't notice or care anyway

  • Well, that goes without saying.– MrOneHundred

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 4:24 p.m. – Permalink

• moamoa

  Marcelom, sorry but I wasn´t here anymore...
  but as I see grammer told you exactly how it should be done..

  anyway, by english is to cheesy to explain it :

  • np, tell us– Marcelom

  

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  Dog-earSep 4, 08, 4:37 p.m. – Permalink