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- janne760
^ up yers....
- drgs_not_hugs0
Do people in this thread realize that Georgia attacked S. Ossetia first? That 90% of south-ossetians are russian citizens?
- stop it there. reality is much more complicated.. and too much to tell here. NATO/EU is involved etc.janne76
- Georges0
drgs you're right and you're wrong,
this is a short chronology of the story between russia and georgia
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MOSCOW—Following is a timeline of Russian-Georgian tensions, which have spiralled with Georgia attacking the capital of breakaway South Ossetia and Russia reportedly bombing Georgian territory.1991 The Soviet Union collapses and Georgia, which was absorbed into the Russian empire in the 19th century, then taken over by the Soviet Bolsheviks in the next century, becomes independent.
1992-4 Minority ethnic groups in the provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia fight separatist wars to end Georgian rule, resulting in thousands of deaths. Both rebel statelets have significant Russian financial and political backing, but have not been recognized by any foreign government and officially remain part of Georgia.
1994 Under a shaky ceasefire agreement, a mainly Russian peacekeeping force is deployed in Abkhazia. Russian troops also lead a joint peacekeeping force in South Ossetia.
2000 Russia's new president, Vladimir Putin, imposes visa requirements on Georgians going to Russia, unlike citizens from other countries in the 12-member Commonwealth of Independent States.
2002 After repeated accusations by Russia that Georgia is sheltering Chechen rebels, an air raid takes place on the Pankisi Gorge just inside Georgia. Russia denies being behind the attack, which killed one person.
Georgia applies to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, angering Russia. Georgia also becomes a key US ally after agreeing to host oil and gas pipelines from the Caspian Sea to Turkey, avoiding Russia.
2003 The peaceful "Rose Revolution" ousts Eduard Shevarnadze and brings to power Mikheil Saakashvili, who immediately launches a strongly pro-Western policy aiming at NATO membership and economic and governmental reforms.
2005 Despite growing tensions with Saakashvili's government, Moscow agrees to remove Soviet-era military bases from Georgian territory by the end of 2008.
2006 Georgia is briefly left with severe gas shortages after a pipeline explosion inside Russia destroys a key export route. Those behind the bombing are never discovered.
Georgia arrests four Russian military personnel on spying charges. Moscow responds with sweeping economic sanctions, cutting all travel links, deporting hundreds of ethnic-Georgians from Russia, and stopping Georgian imports.
August 8, 2008 After weeks of tension and low-level clashes Georgia says it has taken control of the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali. Russia sends reinforcements into the territory, saying Georgian attacks killed more than 10 of its peacekeepers. Russian warplanes also reportedly bomb Georgian targets.
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- drgs_not_hugs0
Where are news from 7. august???
http://uk.reuters.com/article/to…
http://news.smh.com.au/world/geo…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/…Does your chronology mentione that Georgia is America's ally in eastern europe, and that the two had joint military exercises for some last months? That a U.S.-backed oil pipeline runs through Georgia?
Does every american in this thread has to live up to his stereotype as the clueless thickheaded shiteater?"It's not about Georgia any more. It's about America, its values."
A burst of truth from Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili
(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/to...- Good on you mate. Wise wordsbabaganush
- it is certainly not ONLY oil and US here. Georgia, under current pres. wants NATO and EU membership...janne76
- part of NATO membership deal is existing conflicts need to be solved, so Saakashvili had no choicejanne76
- or just become a small isolated nation again. Russia doesn't want Georgia in NATO/EU, so there...janne76
- Georges0
I'm agreeing with you drgs (btw did you get erased too?),
but do you think being under russian domination is better than choosing who your allies are and pissing off your ex master?Russia has plans to get the oil through Giorgia too, don't blind yourself thinking they are going to war because they want to defend the ossetian's pride,
as usual it comes down to one thing only: Money/profit/casualty
if you can do the math, you'll see that the casualties are worth far less then the profits, look at Iraqnow the question is
does America has balls to go up against Russia
- drgs_not_hugs0
Russia has done its very best to provoke the situation, for sure, but I cant see what the Georgians hope to gain with this.....
First of all, South Ossetia is already part of Russia – ruble is their currency, russian textbooks are used in schools, etc, 90% of south-ossetians are russian citizens and as holders of russian passports, they are being given security guarantees....other than that the strategic resource is Georgia itself -- russians have to be consistent with their influence policy in the region, they are simply answering the attack, but they don't want this war. As I see it, the pro-american Saakashvili is desperate and seeks to provoke USA and get them involved:
http://www.wacotrib.com/blogs/co…- Georgia needs to solve the S-Oss. conflict in order to be allowed in on the NATO gang...janne76
- lowimpakt0
"When elephants fight, grass gets trampled"
- uan0
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- uan0
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- bezul5550
The message of this war is: DON'T FUCK WITH RUSSIA.
America, Mr Bush, NATO - where are you??- What? No oil in Georgia? Oh well...we got other things to do...TheBlueOne
- UN security council is actually working as hard as they can on this. don't be so cynical.janne76
- FallowDeer0
They had some stats on Russian and Georgian troops in the paper, it was like;
Russian Airforce = 361 fighter jets
Georgian Airforce = 9 fighter jest (not counting the 2 they borrowed from easyjet.com and strapped twin AK47 to side to create ultimate killing machine)
- utopian20
Russia's military advanced into Georgia on two fronts today. The Associated Press reports Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili says Russia's troops have effectively cut the country in half. The United States has evacuated 170 Americans from Georgia.
- janne760
It is becoming clear now who the bad ones are in this conflict.
Sadly.