The Qur'an - C4 2222 Responses

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• moth

  Anyone watch this last night?

  For someone who doesn't know much about Islam, it explained a lot - probably pointing out the obvious to some though. The contrast of life in Cairo today from 30 years ago was pretty nuts. I also liked the revelation that paradise might not actually consist of 72 virgins - rather you simply get a bunch of grapes depending on your translation of the text.

  I'm also now more terrified of religion in general. It seems to me this shit is made up as we go along - and if the preachers of the The Qur'an are doing it - I'm fairly certain that everyone else is at it too.

  http://www.independent.co.uk/art…

  Jul 15, 08, 2:45 a.m. – Permalink

• moth

  http://www.channel4.com/culture/…

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 2:46 a.m. – Permalink

• Spookytim

  I do like grapes though.

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 2:46 a.m. – Permalink

• GORADIO

  white or red?

  • I eat either, but I only drink the red.– Spookytim1/2

    rosé? or is that a dirty word?
    – thumb_screws2/2

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 2:47 a.m. – Permalink

• GORADIO

  I didn't see it but I know what you mean moth. Religion is actually influencing virtually everything around us, and has been for the last two thousand years.

  I think it's pretty important to be forgiving with any religion - whether it's extremist Muslims bombing places or American televangelists healing you for $80/hour, you kinda have to always keep in mind that they don't represent that religion. It's the everyday people who do, and the only way to learn about it is to actually get to know one...

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 2:52 a.m. – Permalink

• thumb_screws

  Yeah was a great insight for a pleb like me. Good explanations on the difference between Sunni and Shia. The part about Saudi Arabia pushing doctored versions of the Qur'an was fucked up

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 2:52 a.m. – Permalink

• moth

  Yeah I now understand the Sunni and Shia thing and why they blow each over up.

  Interesting that Saudi Arabia's agenda is in part funded by the good old USA (you know - greatest nation on earth - is sponsoring their own enemies extremism).

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 2:57 a.m. – Permalink

• thumb_screws

  Got the impression that once you need an intermediatory between you and your god it all goes to shit. Be it Islam, Judaism or Catholicism. Looks like Islam is going through what the Catholic Church went through with the inquisition and the crusades.
  religion... meh. All you need is love

  • +1– TheBlueOne

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 3 a.m. – Permalink

• 000000

  moth talking about islam,
  I feel this thread will go nowhere

  • swing from someone else's dick noob.– moth1/10

    fuck you bitch
    trolling a site for 6 years doesn't make you cool– 0000002/10

    Hahahaha.– Spookytim3/10

    ... swing from someone else's dick noob.– moth4/10

    STFU 000000– Khurram5/10

    Moth, the Texan.– Spookytim6/10

    swing swing swing.
    Smells like trolling to me.– moth7/10

    khuramm are you some scholars on islam? if the answer is no
    please shut it– 0000008/10

    000000. You have no idea who you're talking to do you? It's his fucking job dude...– moth9/10

    if the answer is yes, we can talk about it, religion for me is a fam issue not a showoff issue– 00000010/10

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 3:03 a.m. – Permalink

• kinross

  I thought it was really interesting.

  The most enlightening bit for me was when they talked about how religion has become a business - before you were a preacher but you also had another job - now being a preacher/priest is a job. Religion should be your beliefs, and how you live your life, not how you earn your living. Says the atheist....

  • I Agree, says a muslim– Anees

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 3:04 a.m. – Permalink

• GORADIO

  yeah that's a good point thumb screws... I've been studying the rise and decline of the papacy recently, and it's insane. No-one is perfect; people are too messed up to be placed in such a position of authority.

  Furthermore, at least in the case of Christianity, it's unnecessary. The point of the whole thing is the personal relationship everyone has with God - it's supposed to be the next step from the middleman found in the Jewish priesthood.

  • shizen, thats some heavy reading, study or pleasure? would be interesting– thumb_screws

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 3:04 a.m. – Permalink

• Khurram

  yeah it was aiight. I cancelled a night out for this, not sure if it was worth it for someone like me.

  I had several issues with it tho, cos i'm so learned on the subject.

  Its Catholic/Protestant analogy of the Sunni/Shia divide wasn't very accurate. And using that as a metaphor is more confusing on what's goin on than revealing noffink, so to speak.

  Also, I know the West are all loved up about Suffism, with their transending the ego talk etc.. But those fuckers can be just as doctrinaire and ideological as the rest of em. The programme seemed to be all up in em like they were awesome.

  And also it went all Da Vinci Code in the last quarter for some reason. Surely it wuda been better to go into the context and "biography" of the book as it was compiled over 25 years through oral recitation etc., and chopped and changed rather than be all like "hidden meanings" and "carbon dated fragments found in a secret lost cave..." like wot??

  Also there were a lot of inaccuracies in it, especially referring to the "72 virgins" thing - the Qu'ran actually only talks about it as a metaphor of "72 companions" and what it actually says is that peple are gonna be stuck in heaven with their husband/wife for all eternity.

  But what the programme actually did reveal is that no one actually knows what the fuck the words in that book mean and people just make it up as they go. LOL

  3/5

  • i had you in mind when I thought it would have nothing new for people...– moth1/2

    I know..– Khurram2/2

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 3:08 a.m. – Permalink

• Khurram

  if you want to learn more, i would reccommend this:

  http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/qura…

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 3:16 a.m. – Permalink

• thumb_screws

  Essentially it was Qur'an/Islam 101 for the first half, bit of a walkthrough, informative for people with little understanding of Islam (like myself). Agree with Khurram, went all Da Vinci code towards the end.

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 3:20 a.m. – Permalink

• moth

  I've heard enough Khurram! I'm shunning all religious people.
  This land is far too dangerous.

  • ouch :(– GORADIO1/2

    I'm only half serious. It does honestly scare me though.– moth2/2

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 3:20 a.m. – Permalink

• Anees

  I think translation of the Qur'an is in transistion at the moment, When real masters of the English Language become real masters of Classical Arabic we may see some interesting results.

  • is the bible finally translated?– 000000

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 3:25 a.m. – Permalink

• Spookytim

  This is going to become a fight thread soon, I can feel it.

  QBN Schisms ahoy!

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 3:43 a.m. – Permalink

• Fariska

  * takes popcorns and sixpack
  * sits comfortably

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 3:46 a.m. – Permalink

• Anees

  Leg it !!!

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 3:46 a.m. – Permalink

• Khurram

  oh Mohammed! This is gonna turn into one of them self-fulffilling prophecies... there was no reason for it to...

  It's like those Ouija bored things where everyone thinks of a name and they all subconcsiously push the glass to form the letters of the name, beacuse deep down they WILL it to happen...

  ... i mean i'm out!

  

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  Dog-earJul 15, 08, 3:48 a.m. – Permalink

• moth

  You're right Spookytim. And you and swing-boy started it. You must be very proud.

  • Me? I only said I liked grapes. Blimey, no wonder the world is at war!– Spookytim

  

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