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  • jjoeth6

    Debate all you want, but watch this first...

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    Jul 4, 08, 7:32 a.m. – Permalink
  • jjoeth6

    Dang. can't embed.
    Here's the link.

    • Good point, made annoyingly.– detritus1/3
      Good but a little too long.– al_la2/3
      This is the most level headed opinion on this subject that i have ever heard. i needed this.– locustsloth3/3
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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 7:33 a.m. – Permalink
  • kelpie

    I don't have the heart, does someone want to do the honours?

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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 7:33 a.m. – Permalink
  • kelpie

    Dang. fail-post failure irony hole.

    self destruct program activated

    • HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!– paraselene
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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 7:34 a.m. – Permalink
  • skt

    http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1323/1433529629_4c1f775559.jpg

    • that is for you kelpie.– skt1/2
      lol– kelpie2/2
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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 7:36 a.m. – Permalink
  • jjoeth6

    I guess (like usual) people would rather ignore this topic.

    • talked to death much?– oozie1/3
      this is an ass old video too– oozie2/3
      It may be old, but it becomes more and more relevant as we approach an election.– jjoeth63/3
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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 8:02 a.m. – Permalink
  • lowimpakt

    the video is basically the precautionary principle.

    it's the base of european environmental policy.

    although the video is probably more digestable that the communication on the precautionary principle from 2000

    http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/health_c…

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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 8:05 a.m. – Permalink
  • detritus

    jjoeth6, you should appreciate that most people on this blog are sympathetic to your cause, but there's not much that can be added on a Friday afternoon that's really going to add to the debate.

    Besides, it's very easy to throw out a YouTube and say 'debate' - if you're really interested, perhaps you could start off by saying something? Anything, in fact.

    • I, for one, didn't really need to spend 10 minutes watching some middle-American school teacher make the point.– detritus1/4
      Also, it's Independence Day.– Jaline2/4
      LOL @ "on this blog"– Fariska3/4
      I'm really liking that term :)– detritus4/4
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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 8:09 a.m. – Permalink
  • moth

    Everyone wants to us to attend to their fucking cause. It's not that we don't want to discuss it, it's that it's been discussed 200 times already and the outcome is always the same. You'll be destroyed by us, and you'll probably leave and never come back. Furthermore - i'm too busy worrying about starving dogs on someone else's behalf who posted here before you did. In otherwords - I'm all out of charity - I only have so many hours in the day, and there's none left for you or the environment.

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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 8:15 a.m. – Permalink
  • detritus

    For a start - I'd love to hear what you yourself do? It appears to me that the vast majority of people pay lip-service to do 'something about it', but - beyond replacing the occasional light bulb and recycling the weekend's papers - don't actually do anything.

    Have you given up on flying? Cut down on your car use? Cut out a percentage of your weekly showers or baths? Stopped eating beef?
    Written your local representative, demanding stern action? Made sure your house is in order?

    I'm saddened by how little is done - by me, more than anyone. I think about this shit constantly, and there's lots I have done, but nontheless, I've already flown abroad twice this year, and know I will do so again in a few months.

    We're pathetic. All of us.

    • Roll on avian flu.– detritus1/2
      have you seen the lions clip? you should watch that.– skt2/2
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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 8:17 a.m. – Permalink
  • jjoeth6

    I just finished having a week-long email debate with a conservative friend who refuses to believe we should do anything about it simply because "science has been wrong before." I know there are more people like that out there, so I just wanted to share this video because I thought it was a really intelligent way to look at the situation. I'm relieved to see the people here are more open-minded.

    moth, I know causes are exhausting. I'd just like to reiterate what the video guy says... this one is WAY bigger than anything else out there.

    detritus, in fact I have made several lifestyle changes in the last few years. I bike to work. I only fly about once a year (within the country). I've cut down on water usage. I have stopped eating beef. At work, I look for better paper choices and ways to use less paper. Basically, there is a new voice in the back of my mind that always reminds me to consider my environmental impact. None of us are perfect and we never will be, but I'm glad you and others are finding that voice. Hopefully, it will continue to spread.

    • Oh, I'm also on a renewable energy plan.– jjoeth6
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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 8:45 a.m. – Permalink
  • oozie

    i think certain industries and businesses should be pressured more than induviduals to change considering we as 'consumers' can only make the choices that are given to us. There is no such thing as eco friendly flying, why? cuz no one will be paid to make an eco friendly plane. We could have been buying cheap hyrics and full electronic cars 40 years ago, but that never happened why? cuz industry and wallstreet were riding the oil/gas gravy train. the list goes on and on, coal? do I have a choice? no

    • Agreed, but that pressure comes from individuals who demand greener solutions.– jjoeth6
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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 8:46 a.m. – Permalink
  • moth

    "this one is WAY bigger than anything else out there."

    No it's not.

    • well, I think in terms of the pressures it could bring to global social issues and the way its wrapped up with new fuel source needs it could be– kelpie1/4
      Arguably.– jjoeth62/4
      fuel source needs and the rush to corner resources it could be– kelpie3/4
      What's bigger, moth?– detritus4/4
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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 8:47 a.m. – Permalink
  • skt

    asteroids or jupiter or the sun will fuck us up sooner or later anyway.

    *burns coal.

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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 8:49 a.m. – Permalink
  • kelpie

    pfft. the muslims will get us and rape all our women far before jupiter brings the pain. Every norwiegian designer knows that.

    • white power!! etc etc– skt
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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 8:50 a.m. – Permalink
  • kelpie

    btw Bob, I'd like to play my non-racist middle class disclaimer card right about now...

    • *remembers google indexing– kelpie
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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 8:52 a.m. – Permalink
  • skt

    yeah, this google indexing, out of context response thing could make me look pretty bad. that alongside me making myself look pretty bad anyway.

    • I know about your Design Give shirt, buddy. You'll never be 100% badass now.– Jaline
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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 8:54 a.m. – Permalink
  • Jaline

    I feel guilty about this, but I feel the same way as moth.

    • in a way, me too :\

      i still do what i can, when i can      – sputnik2
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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 8:56 a.m. – Permalink
  • paraselene

    ah, that's the beauty of moth, see. he is magically impervious to middle-class guilt. it's a lovely thing to see.

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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 8:58 a.m. – Permalink
  • creative-

    Global Warming is someone else's problem. Let them sort it out.

    • President Bush, is that you?– jjoeth61/2
      Unfortunately this seems to be the attitude of most people.– creative-2/2
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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 9:04 a.m. – Permalink
  • moth

    i'm more concerned about the people dying to today rather than the people dying tomorrow.

    That's bigger.

    • Given that most of our problems are borne of over-population, I couldn't disagree with you more.– detritus
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    Dog-earJul 4, 08, 9:34 a.m. – Permalink

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