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Last post: 3 months, 1 week ago | Thread started: Jun 1, 08, 1:38 p.m.

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• Meeklo

  So I'm doing this invites that will look like records.

  I need to prepare the file to do the grooves on the actual record, right now, it looks like this:
  

  

  So what I did is:
  1) Make a circle then using the Scale Tool (S)

  2) I scaled down the size a bit, holding Shift + Option to duplicate in smaller size.

  3) Command + D to repeat last action several times.

  I don't like the results, it feels like the closer the grooves get to the center of the record, the closer the space between each groove.

  Anyone knows a way to get the exact same spacing between all the grooves?

  I can't figure it out :(

  Jun 1, 08, 1:38 p.m. – Permalink

• tank02

  i think the groove should have a stroke that is a bit going from thick to thin ( just a bit) and copy this stroke...

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 1:42 p.m. – Permalink

• invisiblechamber

  only draw the outer and the inner cycle. then unite them. you can then adjust the number of steps between them. i have illustrator in german, so i can't tell the actual command, unfortunately..

  • you mean using circles and the pathfinder tool to substract shapes?– Meeklo1/2

    no - read rodzilla– invisiblechamber2/2

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 1:44 p.m. – Permalink

• Meeklo

  yeah, they are strokes at the moment, I was hoping that all stokes will be the exact same size, and exact same separation between them.

  in reality, the grooves vary their thickness? I would like it to be as close as possible to a record.

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 1:45 p.m. – Permalink

• rodzilla

  The command invis is talking about is the blend step tool. You can define the number of circles between two set points. You have to pick the same two points on both circles. One point from the first then one from inner point. The define the # of steps.

  • ok, I'm interested in this, could you explain a bit more, I've done it before– Meeklo1/3

    gimme a second. opening illy to give a better explanation
    
    – rodzilla2/3

    < yes! object: blend (make/options)
    – invisiblechamber3/3

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 1:46 p.m. – Permalink

• Melanie

  There doesn't seem to be that many grooves, why don't you set your grid to the width you want between lines, and then copy, paste, reduce, snap to grid. I'd also think about outlining the stroke and adding a slight gradient so you get a bit of depth.

  Nice labels!

  • Yeah, outlining the stroke and giving that area could be exactly what you are looking for.– rodzilla1/6

    thanks melanie!
    no gradients, it will be a reverse spot varnish, on flat black pvc– Meeklo2/6

    that will look smoking– rodzilla3/6

    In theory it should huh?
    laser cut grooves was too expensive for my client :(– Meeklo4/6

    bummer, that would have looked a bit more realistic. Too bad budgets ruin great ideas sometimes.– rodzilla5/6

    I know.. laser cut grooves man..
    could you imagine???– Meeklo6/6

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 1:46 p.m. – Permalink

• Antonelli

  object > path > offset path > -.125" (or whatever spacing you want), and just keep doing that until you have as many circles as you want.

  • oh this one I'm more familiar with, never even thought about it, let me try, if not I will go w/ rodzilla's– Meeklo

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 1:51 p.m. – Permalink

• Meeklo

  here is the paper mock up of the invite:
  

  

  • I think I'm going to rotate the art on the sleeve so you pull the record up, not from the side, is that more common?– Meeklo1/3

    no– epete222/3

    so sideways it is then, thanks!– Meeklo3/3

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 1:52 p.m. – Permalink

• invisiblechamber

  nice!

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 1:53 p.m. – Permalink

• rodzilla

  Meek - Object - Blend - Blend options.

  Drop down menu define the # of steps. Once you figure out how many steps you actually want to fill that space, click ok. Go back to object - blend - then "Make" will be an option. Click make.

  from there you can play with the # of steps you want/need.

  • You don't actually need to define, the points, I must be thinking of the blend color tool.– rodzilla1/2

    Did that make sense?? I can send screen shots of it if you would like?– rodzilla2/2

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 1:53 p.m. – Permalink

• invisiblechamber

  where is the discussion about how many grooves a record actually has?

  • well, this is 5x5 so I can't really put that many grooves, or it won't print well, its a pocket record– Meeklo1/3

    but you are totally right, this has no where near that many grooves– Meeklo2/3

    lol– invisiblechamber3/3

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 1:53 p.m. – Permalink

• epete22

  

  • just showing for reference,– epete221/3

    I see some sort of bigger space every few grooves, and it seems to have a lot more, not sure if that will work on spot uv, I have to keep it over 3px thick no?– Meeklo2/3

    I have to keep outlines over 3px thick no?– Meeklo3/3

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 1:55 p.m. – Permalink

• rodzilla

  I'm sure vector is what you would rather, but I found this.

  http://psdtuts.com/tutorials-eff…

  • oh wow.. this looks a lot better..
    would that translate to spot UV printing though? some of the grooves are to thin– Meeklo1/2

    Not sure how it would translate.– rodzilla2/2

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 2 p.m. – Permalink

• Meeklo

  Ok I did Antonelli's suggestion and it worked perfectly.
  just to learn something new I will try rodzilla's one now

  thanks all!

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 2:02 p.m. – Permalink

• imnotadesigner

  man forget all that, do it this way all you'll get what your looking for in about 1.5 seconds.:

  1. select the Ellipse tool
  2. hold down option, shift, and the ~ key (im forgetting the name of it right now, but its beside the number 1) at the same time
  3. click and drag and thats it!

  • "tilde" ~– rodzilla1/2

    NICE! a little awkward to press those three keys but it's a cool trick.– _niko2/2

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 2:07 p.m. – Permalink

• invisiblechamber

  i say, make true grooves: spirals. people who recognize it later on the print will love it (-:

  • I'm down to try it and see how it look.
    how would you do it?– Meeklo1/4

    you don't want to know how i would do it with freehand 5, but i'm checking out in illy now...– invisiblechamber2/4

    I haven't used freehand in probably 9 years.. I don't even have it installed :(– Meeklo3/4

    or corel draw for that matter– Meeklo4/4

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 2:12 p.m. – Permalink

• imnotadesigner

  make true grooves? like engrave them on the printed piece? Might be tough to accomplish since the grooves are so tight together.

  • yeah, plus this is a miniature record, so even harder.. so as close as possible will work :)– Meeklo1/2

    I thought embossing on cardstock which you could feel from both sides, but not sure if it would work that thin– Meeklo2/2

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 2:18 p.m. – Permalink

• _niko

  How many grooves does a standard 45" record have?

  1 of course.

  • no, 2. :-p– invisiblechamber1/2

    damn. you're right– _niko2/2

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 2:25 p.m. – Permalink

• invisiblechamber

  with true i mean: not concentric circles (that wouldn't play a song).

  illy demands a decay for spirals - not perfect. but try a very high one, like 99,8% and maybe 300 segments - then tune it it to your size.

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 2:26 p.m. – Permalink

• imnotadesigner

  Meeko - Embossing probably wouldn't work that thin. Even if it did, you'd have to print in a premium stock, something that bring up the cost of printing again.

  How are you printing the invite? Are you using pantones or just straight 4 colour? And what paper are you printing on?

  • 4 color / cardstock– Meeklo1/3

    yeah, embossing won't work I think– Meeklo2/3

    reversed out spot UV is what I'm going for, so the record is shiny, the label is matte, and the grooves are matte– Meeklo3/3

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 2:28 p.m. – Permalink

• Meeklo

  k, updated:
  

  

  • cool. done.– invisiblechamber1/3

    I like how you show the center "circle" through the "label" good technique– epete222/3

    there will be a punch hole in the center,– Meeklo3/3

  

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  Dog-earJun 1, 08, 2:31 p.m. – Permalink