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- cannonball0
another point... you used to be a "rubbish photoshop guy" (if you aren't still)
- epete220
well i freelance for my dads company and his business partner thinks i charge to much at $25 an hour. so he designs brochures in publisher and template ppt designs. hahaha. they pitched there product to pizza hut and totally butchered the logo and branding requirements which he was like, "what is branding?" lol
- Mick0
I'm in the same position but on the other side. I work for a company about to release a national product and I don't have any experience and my boss wanted to hire two consultants but I talked him out of it. I downloaded paintshop pro the other day and I've designed some business cards for my aunt once before. Wait....are you guys.....!!
- univers0
I didnt read through a lot of responses. But it sounds like a similar situation I dealt with. Could it be that they want to save as much money anywhere they can? Often those kind of business people find that design is merely the use of Adobe tools, and that they don't need to pay extra for someone with knowledge of design conventions.
If that is the case, gross. They probably just don't know any better.
- sputnik20
good luck explaining to them the difference in quality between a "guy with photoshop" and a professional designer's output. the second i catch wind of such a perspective, i walk. there is no sense in trying to explain it.
it's like explaining usability to my last client. wrote them a long email explaining certain points and she comes back with "i don't know what usability means, but the people in my office it looks better the way i want it."
- brains0
citizen_h tell them to trust that you're a creative professional and your judgement is an educated one, and to fuck off if they just want to direct their bad ideas through someone who actually knows how to use the tools.
- citizen_h0
@Brains
Blimey - Im actually in the same position as you. Potential client wants to launch a national product aswell, but what design/branding etc they currently have is straight from the tutorials of "way of the photoshop version 3" (although no sign of the lense flare...yet). Meeting them in the next week or so to discuss further.
- TheBlueOne0
Or you should of taken the really low road and just written "What are you a bunch of daft cunts? When you don't want to waste our or anyone else's time with the amateur hour 'designer' do get back in touch. Until then, good luck. All the best."
- They might appreciate you 'keepin it real'...good approach.
Do it.mikotondria3 - Daft Cunt is the new Preferred Client.mikotondria3
- Yeah, I've been using that one for a while.brains
- They might appreciate you 'keepin it real'...good approach.
- brains0
That's not a bad point miko.. Although, it could make for sooooo many headaches. It's been such a task so far, and I can only imagine the "we know best, we're the client / creative direction" hassle that we'll get with this piece o' shite.
- it's all Sales. FInd out why they don't want to 'buy' your idea, squash their objections. Close. Count cash.mikotondria3
- Mmm. monies.brains
- Llyod0
work on retainer
- mikotondria30
"Well, it's rare when work like this comes along where we can actually get passionate something - see - we actually care about how your company does my partner and I sat down to plan out our time and we both agreed we rather take this on than do that other boring corporate job, cause it makes our job more worthwhile to actually make a difference in people's lives - people like you who've got the vision to go it alone and put their money where their mouth is. We understand why you want to use [rubbish photoshop guy], I've see his work and I think he's got great potential and a real eye for the job and we'd like (if it's not poaching him!), to use him where we think his skills will be most effective in your overall strategy. You've only got one shot at this, and we all need to be bringing our whole skill set to the table, at once - we can do the mundane stuff and we can let him concentrate on the very specific areas I will outline when we meet.".
Ignore anything he produces or doctor it out of all recognition.
Take the money and then take some more when the company nearly fails but they get a last minute backer.- say all of that shirtless via webcam.grunttt
- grunttt, how did you know what I wanted?Jaline
- err..nevermind.Jaline
- I don't have a webcam.
Or a shirt.mikotondria3 - I've said too much.Jaline
- Hey, miko, is your site just a splash page? I'm trying to get past the text.Jaline
- haha, er yeh, it kinda is. Just testimonials and contact stuff.
we're THAT different.mikotondria3 - alright, cool :)Jaline
- exador10
in a situation like this, you did absolutely the right thing...let the client know that they were going in the wrong direction by letting a kid with no experience (not to mention without the proper toolkit for the job) work on a project like this...
after that, if they still feel they know more about this sort of thing than you do, let them hang themselves....
- brains0
The great thing about it is we have no problem telling clients like this go fuck themselves. It's therapeutic.
- cannonball0
Actually, this is a classic case where you could have taken the high road, and probably gotten more out of the relationship. This company might have been looking for someone to tell them that they are at the part in their company's life where design is critical. Maybe they know this, but don't know how to go about getting good design, and made the mistake of hiring a junior designer. A pat on the head and a helping hand might have worked wonders. "Educating" their designer could have been part of their consultation, as you do the rebranding yourselves.
- But there's also the scenario where that design takes, and wanks all over our good ideas.brains
- This isn't even a "junior designer". No training, and no experience at ALL.brains
- Think of it as a hurdle. If you approach it from a benevolent stance, I'm sure their designer would be happy to get some knowlege from you guys. no one was born knowing design. Then voila! You have the lead.cannonball
- Knowledge from a senior designer. then voila! you are in control.cannonball
- d_acra0
the story of my life, stubborn clients.
I no longer care when they start with asking for blinking everything and glowing text with emboss.
- OnesandZeros0
they can make for good interns though
- sometimesOnesandZeros
- well... 40% of the timeOnesandZeros
- hrmm... ok.. maybe 0.5% of the timeOnesandZeros
- Llyod0
I would never hire someone green. especially after thinking back to my days as a youngster.
- brains0
Basically, we're getting the FUCK out of it, we're going to sit back and watch though. That'll be great.