Indesign kerning Q 2020 Responses

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• stewart

  i've a very bad kerned letter combination in my indesign document: "Wi"
  how can i kern this combination alone and change it in the whole document (about 300 pages).

  example:
  

  

  May 21, 08, 6:52 a.m. – Permalink

• invisiblechamber

  delete i-dot?

  • good one!– stewart1/2

    +1, or a little less kerning.– JamesBoynton2/2

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 6:53 a.m. – Permalink

• roundabout

  That a good question.

  • How do you do this?– roundabout

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 6:54 a.m. – Permalink

• tank02

  you can make specialized typograms for this,
  i have to ask my collegue about this,
  its a bit technical...

  • technical. I thought so. :\– roundabout1/4

    tried this, but it doesn't work. i get the i and e stick to each other.– stewart2/4

    plus i have to change it one by one in the doc. pain in the ass because it's used 500+ times :(– stewart3/4

    check the advanced find and replace options...– tank024/4

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 6:55 a.m. – Permalink

• invisiblechamber

  that would be a ligature. but i cannot remember seeing a Wi-ligature ever.

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 6:59 a.m. – Permalink

• BaskerviIle

  InDesign is shite for kerning. You can't change kerning tables which sucks. I like InDesign but they need to sort this out.
  What the hell language is that?? ;)

  • the combo is not really indesign's fault.– invisiblechamber1/2

    the way they sit comes from the fonts kerning tables, but ID won't let you edit that pairing which sucks– BaskerviIle2/2

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 6:59 a.m. – Permalink

• BaskerviIle

  You could just do a find for Wi and then kern each individually, but that's not really a good solution

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 7 a.m. – Permalink

• JackRyan

  Could you do a find and replace with the kerned version? Could it tell the difference?

  • "find next", cut and paste– Dr_Rand1/2

    yes– moamoa2/2

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 7:04 a.m. – Permalink

• Ranger

  set up a character style for the kerned letters and find replace with that character style?

  I think Indesignsecrets did a podcast about how to do this properly a while back, you can search their site. Also I think they told you how to adjust kerning tables in InDesignCS3 may have involved a plugin - I can't remember much about it.

  • good idea– roundabout

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 7:07 a.m. – Permalink

• doesnotexist

  how about this?

  http://indesign.pluginsworld.com…

  • hey– invisiblechamber

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 7:11 a.m. – Permalink

• Iggyboo

  I would suggest altering the typeface and adding an i that has a lower height for the dot. then using it to replace all of the Wi's and kerning it properly. It's either that or just use a different typeface for every capital W and lower case i. Which works too and is just as easy.

  • except surely it would be, um, a different typeface? which would be weird, no?– kelpie1/3

    before altering or even replacing the font i'd definetly prefer losing the whole dot.– invisiblechamber2/3

    and it's illegal probably to alter that font– jaylarson3/3

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 7:15 a.m. – Permalink

• stewart

  i remember kerning tables in quark 10 years ago.
  not possible in indesign? i NEED to change that "Wi" combination, and not one by one. that book is about "Wielberger", so it's used a hell of a lot in this book!

  the language is Dutch by the way.

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 12:55 p.m. – Permalink

• neverblink

  how about writing an inDesign script that will automaticly replace all instances of Wi (dot) with Wı (no dot)? Isn't that hard to do, bit of regexp.. if you don't know how, send me an email.. kan zelfs in het Nederlands als je wilt ;)

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 1:09 p.m. – Permalink

• horton

  spell it wrong... "Weilberg".. nobody will notice.

  • ha ha– organic_grid1/4

    haha..
    or use |/\| instead of the W.. or 1 instead of i– neverblink2/4

    ! = i– pango3/4

    love it.– grunttt4/4

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 1:09 p.m. – Permalink

• centro

  find/replace

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 1:36 p.m. – Permalink

• gramme

  That's odd. Never had this problem before. I use default metric kerning for paragraphs and optical tracking for headlines, sometimes with a little manual help. Did Quark do a better job w/ kerning? Is it actually the software or the built-in kerning table in the font that's giving you trouble?

  Is that Garamond? I've never had trouble w/ kerning in the Adobe versions.

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 2:23 p.m. – Permalink

• gramme

  You know, it might help if you open up your tracking in general by about 10 points. I know what Goudy said about letterspacing type, but he's dead and we don't have exact matches for his metal type letterspacing.

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 2:27 p.m. – Permalink

• gramme

  OK here's an easy, code-free fix. Open Garamond's glyph palette. Scroll down a ways, you'll see a dotless i that's already part of the font. Make a type style and kern it in till it looks right. Presto.

  • This is in Adobe Garamond Pro. I'd imagine Premier Pro has that glyph too.– gramme1/2

    never heard of this.
    i'll look at this tomorrow.– stewart2/2

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 2:32 p.m. – Permalink

• Iggyboo

  1. find all i's 2. replace all i's to a customized font that has upper and lower case i's and one is missing the damn dot in the i or it is lowered or it is another font all together. is it that hard to get an i that's similar enough to the native font your using.

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 2:47 p.m. – Permalink

• gramme

  I think my suggestion is a heck of a lot easier, and it's the correct typeface, to boot.

  imho.

  • gramme is always right when it comes to type.– tank02

  

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  Dog-earMay 21, 08, 3:04 p.m. – Permalink

• stewart

  the problem is not the dot on the i, but how to change kerning tables in InDesign.

  

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  Dog-earMay 26, 08, 1:28 a.m. – Permalink