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ismith
I've been around this so many times, but lately the W3C has pissed me off and their standards are practically worthless (not entirely their fault, but their snail pace and the fact that none of them are successful web designers doesn't help). Anyway, as much as I love DIVs and SPANs and used to trash talk the table junkies, doesn't it just make sense to use tables? I mean for all practical reasons tables are just better since their nature is the grid, which is how I formulate a design in the first place.
Anyone think I'm crazy, apathetic, or feel like doing the same?
May 13, 08, 7:13 p.m. – Permalink
Mellimelvin
Quit tables in 06 haven't looked back.
- ditto.– mg33
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 7:16 p.m. – Permalink
Midge
i am with you - lets get these W3C folk in the corss hairs and take 'em down.
- (cross-hairs)
  – Midge
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 7:17 p.m. – Permalink
Jaline
They have a use.
- very true– van_rijn1/3
  no, they "rarely" have a use.– NONEIS2/3
  wrongo– Jaline3/3
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 7:17 p.m. – Permalink
Jnr_Madison
- ..not really.– Jnr_Madison1/2
  This looks exactly like one of my cats, and his name is Junior. Odd.– MrOneHundred2/2
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 7:18 p.m. – Permalink
ismith
I understand that they are each meant for their own things- but there's no denying in my case that using tables is the simpler solution. Less code and more consistency. Tables are loading as quick too... plus it's not ugly table code like Photoshop slice export.
- This is a serious mental battle with myself... practicality vs. conformity is what it's come down to I think.– ismith1/3
  If you really belive it is less code to build a table based file, you should try looking at something else as a refrence.– NONEIS2/3
  http://jeffcroft.com…– ismith3/3
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 7:25 p.m. – Permalink
OnesandZeros
i use both
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 7:26 p.m. – Permalink
acescence
tables have a use: tabular data
- Yes, I don't understand the religious hatred of them– Anees
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 7:26 p.m. – Permalink
acescence
while your layout might "look" ok, try visiting it with a screen reader and you will understand the problem with table layouts
- Right, but the visually impaired should have no business with my page.– ismith
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 7:27 p.m. – Permalink
Jnr_Madison
tables have a use: eating dinner.
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 7:29 p.m. – Permalink
ismith
I know tables kind of suck at being much beyond tables, but a grid is essentially a content/non-data table and to be practical, there is little in place to achieve a decent grid without using much more code than necessary with tables.
- And support IE at the same time, that is.– ismith
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 7:30 p.m. – Permalink
ismith
I don't want to spend all day clearing floats and typing writing out auto margins in JS, etc etc...
- holla– geralddean
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 7:32 p.m. – Permalink
Jnr_Madison
I think there was a long discussion about this in another thread but I can't seem to find it.
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 7:34 p.m. – Permalink
acescence
i don't know, i just don't find it that difficult. tables are equally as tedious to lay out, imo. maybe you're doing it wrong.
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 7:35 p.m. – Permalink
ismith
I can do it just fine, but for strict layouts like the ones I'm working with now it hardly makes sense not to use tables, because they lay themselves out in no time at all.
If IE supported all of the CSS display properties (see http://www.htmldog.com/reference…) I'd use div/span with these, because they behave just as tables. Basically what I'm getting at is that the behavior of tables serves a great function outside of tabular data, and until their is a universal method of utilizing that function efficiently then I might as well use them, since the only real downside is the stigma of using tables (visually impaired need not see the site) and slightly longer page loads (though nothing not acceptable).
- You are dissing CSS for tables, for the stupidest reasons. Do you sleep with Jakob Nielsen?– mg33
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 7:43 p.m. – Permalink
iwiniquit
i used to be all for tables...then i started getting the hang of divs and css. it just seems easier to modify and edit.
- True, using tables would restrict my external modifications in order to not defeat the purpose of using them. But I expect the structure to stay the same– ismith1/2
  structure to be the same for quite a while... heh– ismith2/2
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 7:56 p.m. – Permalink
jevad
fuck a css standard
- kinky– ismith1/2
  ouch it hurts– acescence2/2
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 8:20 p.m. – Permalink
mg33
ismith:
" Less code and more consistency. Tables are loading as quick too..."
Did you really said that about using tables? I would beg to compare that with CSS, there is less code and more consistency. Less HTML code for starters, and consistency? To me, consistency means changing a page element in ONE LOCATION and knowing that it looks as I wish for it to look everywhere it occurs without suffering through Find-Replace-Test, etc. etc.
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 11:03 p.m. – Permalink
jamble
Just learn to use the appropriate code for the job. It's not that hard to make divs work properly.
Tables are for tabular data. Always have been.
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 11:08 p.m. – Permalink
mg33
I mean really, this is like someone arguing that Windows NT is the best OS.
- oh no you didn't!– jevad
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Dog-earMay 13, 08, 11:13 p.m. – Permalink
moth
^^ That would almost make sense ^^
Arguing that CSS is broken is basically admitting that you don't understand it at all, and have no place working with the internet. The very fact you think the only down side to tables is no blind people and page loads only reaffirms that you have not understood (or care?) where the technology is headed, or how it is utilised.
However you dress up your wish to use tables, it has nothing to do with CSS not being "universal" or "efficient" - that is just laughable.
- +1– yaphi
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