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- ismith
I've been around this so many times, but lately the W3C has pissed me off and their standards are practically worthless (not entirely their fault, but their snail pace and the fact that none of them are successful web designers doesn't help). Anyway, as much as I love DIVs and SPANs and used to trash talk the table junkies, doesn't it just make sense to use tables? I mean for all practical reasons tables are just better since their nature is the grid, which is how I formulate a design in the first place.
Anyone think I'm crazy, apathetic, or feel like doing the same?
- Mellimelvin0
Quit tables in 06 haven't looked back.
- Midge0
i am with you - lets get these W3C folk in the corss hairs and take 'em down.
- Jnr_Madison0
- ..not really.Jnr_Madison
- This looks exactly like one of my cats, and his name is Junior. Odd.MrOneHundred
- ismith0
I understand that they are each meant for their own things- but there's no denying in my case that using tables is the simpler solution. Less code and more consistency. Tables are loading as quick too... plus it's not ugly table code like Photoshop slice export.
- This is a serious mental battle with myself... practicality vs. conformity is what it's come down to I think.ismith
- If you really belive it is less code to build a table based file, you should try looking at something else as a refrence.NONEIS
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- OnesandZeros0
i use both
- Jnr_Madison0
tables have a use: eating dinner.
- ismith0
I know tables kind of suck at being much beyond tables, but a grid is essentially a content/non-data table and to be practical, there is little in place to achieve a decent grid without using much more code than necessary with tables.
- ismith0
I don't want to spend all day clearing floats and typing writing out auto margins in JS, etc etc...
- Jnr_Madison0
I think there was a long discussion about this in another thread but I can't seem to find it.
- acescence0
i don't know, i just don't find it that difficult. tables are equally as tedious to lay out, imo. maybe you're doing it wrong.
- ismith0
I can do it just fine, but for strict layouts like the ones I'm working with now it hardly makes sense not to use tables, because they lay themselves out in no time at all.
If IE supported all of the CSS display properties (see http://www.htmldog.com/reference…) I'd use div/span with these, because they behave just as tables. Basically what I'm getting at is that the behavior of tables serves a great function outside of tabular data, and until their is a universal method of utilizing that function efficiently then I might as well use them, since the only real downside is the stigma of using tables (visually impaired need not see the site) and slightly longer page loads (though nothing not acceptable).
- You are dissing CSS for tables, for the stupidest reasons. Do you sleep with Jakob Nielsen?mg33
- iwiniquit0
i used to be all for tables...then i started getting the hang of divs and css. it just seems easier to modify and edit.
- jevad0
fuck a css standard
- mg330
ismith:
" Less code and more consistency. Tables are loading as quick too..."
Did you really said that about using tables? I would beg to compare that with CSS, there is less code and more consistency. Less HTML code for starters, and consistency? To me, consistency means changing a page element in ONE LOCATION and knowing that it looks as I wish for it to look everywhere it occurs without suffering through Find-Replace-Test, etc. etc.
- jamble0
Just learn to use the appropriate code for the job. It's not that hard to make divs work properly.
Tables are for tabular data. Always have been.
- mg330
I mean really, this is like someone arguing that Windows NT is the best OS.
- moth0
^^ That would almost make sense ^^
Arguing that CSS is broken is basically admitting that you don't understand it at all, and have no place working with the internet. The very fact you think the only down side to tables is no blind people and page loads only reaffirms that you have not understood (or care?) where the technology is headed, or how it is utilised.
However you dress up your wish to use tables, it has nothing to do with CSS not being "universal" or "efficient" - that is just laughable.