Gold from Silver?
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- detritus
I have a reflective plastic foil material to be printed on, some of which is to be printed on a white underbase, the vast majority of which is not, instead printed directly onto the material.
My question - does anyone here have any experience in illiciting a gold effect, by printing a colour (or colour combination) onto the foil, to make it look like gold?
I want to avoid printing a Pantone gold straight on - this does not work (i mean, obviously, but we've tried and confirmed).
My thinking is to print a standard yellowy/orangey/greeney gold colour, sans white underbase, directly on, so that end result resembles reflective yellowy/orangey/greeney - i.e. gold.
Am I missing anything here?
- detritus0
Oops - just in case that's not clear - the material to be printed on is essentially 'silver' - hence the rather clever title.
- Spookytim0
Almost all Pantone colours are opaque with the exception of the CMYK set, so I would recommend printing a 100%y 10-15%M mix onto the silver substrate to acheive a gold look. Any other colour will chalk out the shine.
- detritus0
Output is a CMYK gravure process onto plastic, so there's a certain amount of see-through anyway, depending on the saturation used (this is all a little more technical than I'm used to - suffice to say, I can output what I see in Illy, etc, with a certain amount of confidence, as the printer takes care of the separations).
I just want to a) check my thinking's right and b) fish for colour recommendations - 100y/15m is, as well as being one of my favourite colours, kind of the direction I was thinking - perhaps a bit more greeney though?
Sadly, my tests in printing directly onto a silver reflective card here led merely to my printer, hands and papers getting covered in yellow ink, because, of course - inkjet ink needs to absorb-in, doesn't it? d'oh.
- detritus0
But yeah, there was a cock up and for some reason, the printer decided to output some samples in a pure Pantone (the gold) and 'it didn't look great'. I must admit, I hadn't appreciated that Pantones were necessarily opaque. Thank God I've thusfar not had to rely upon them not being so.
- maximillion_0
white gold?
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- maximillion_0
detrius it because this did so well
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- neue75_bold0
thermoholographicmirrorfoilunder... is the way to go...
- Is this a test?detritus
- It's a test, isn't it?detritus
- I'm being test here, aren't I?detritus
- What's the aim?detritus
- The purpose?detritus
- The why.detritus
- WHY?detritus
- WHY, GODDAMNIT?detritus
- ALL I WANT ARE ANSWERS.
THAT'S ALL ANY MAN WANTS. IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR?detritus - WHY, GOD, WHY?
WHY DO YOU TEST ME SO?detritus - (Any help in this regard would be appreciated)detritus
- A.N.Y.detritus
- this is only a test... please standby...neue75_bold
- That was no an acronym - it was merely presented so for emphasis. I felt this should be made clear.detritus
- Words are missing and words are appearing where they shouldn't.detritus
- same...neue75_bold
- it was supposed to be 'underlighting'neue75_bold
- detritus0
Are you just messing with my poor, feeble mind, neue75 - or is your stream of consciousness trying to point something out to me? What does this 'underlighting' mean?
- neue75_bold0
it's a highly volatile guido technology employed strategically to IROC interfaeces...
- neue75_bold0
er, to be frank, from my limited knowledge, you're not gonna achieve what you desire through ink...
is your printer offering no advice?
- possibly with the aid of a high-gloss UV coating...neue75_bold
- neue75_bold0
mirror foil?
- detritus0
They're popping down later for a meeting - I'm trying to pre-empt everything, as this project has been a bit of a cockup so far (not my doing). From the samples I've got, it can be achieved to a degree - and I have access to an unrelated sample that does what I want exactly - I'm just not wholly sure of the best way to go about it.
Basically, I'm just fishing for other people's experience here, as there's a tight turnaround, and no room to manoeuvre.
- good luck my love, I've done all I can...neue75_bold
- Your input is appreciated nonetheless. I thank you.detritus
- detritus0
*bump?
I've just noticed that the packaging for Tunnocks Caramel Wafers does what I'm asking for - it's silver packaging, printed externally to have shiny red and 'gold' bands.
Any one else able to offer any advice?
x
- agentfour0
that sorta thing gets done all the time with packaging. You should be fine to print cmyk or pantone onto it. I think you'll have to just pick a gold/deep yellow looking pantone which should look reflective and gold when printed onto a mirror card or whatever youre printing onto.
And not many pantones are opaque. Not sure whether that is what spooky was trying to say. But I'm pretty sure just the metallic ones have some opacity or if you are using specific opaque white ink. Pantones overprint just like any other ink.
- neue75_bold0
I think a4 is right, I got lost in your question, but looking at that packaging, it seems pretty straightforward....
no underlighting necessary...
- Yeah, I need to learn to be concise in my queries. I've noticed this pattern with my questions here over the years.detritus