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dskz
So Jobs has come out and said it: The iPhone will never support Flash. A future with Flash on mobiles seems bleak if you listen to the reality distortion field made by Jobs. He says its just not efficient to use flash or flash lite on the iphone.
http://sree.kotay.com/2008/03/ap…
Furthermore, he is recommending that web designers skip flash altogether and stick to CSS and other web standards.
Could this be the beginning of the end for Flash developers?
Mar 6, 08, 7:53 a.m. – Permalink
Ceballos
"version of Flash formatted to personal computers is too slow on the iPhone" ...that's more a testament that the hardware can't handle flash, not the other way around. If they could have done it seamlessly by now, they would have.
- ...because we didnt makr it 3d and download speeds are shit– trooper1/2
  fark i gotta learn to type better lol– trooper2/2
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 7:59 a.m. – Permalink
Ramanisky2
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 8:03 a.m. – Permalink
trooper
flash works fine on my 200mhz xda mini ?
- ...with 64mb shared ram!– trooper
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 8:03 a.m. – Permalink
rafalski
It will support Flash in 2 years. Flash lite is pointless.
- i don't surf enough on the phone to miss it. and flash would kill the battery life. i don't miss it one bit.– kona1/4
  Im with KONA, Flash on the phone is pointless. There has been maybe 2 times I wanted to show someone something and it was using a flash element. other than that the browser is used to checking movie times and looking up a phone number for a place to eat or something like that.– traut2/4
  why would it kill the battery?
  that don't make no sense– Meeklo3/4
  Yeah, if you can play youtube videos, the argument against flash because of energy consumption doesn't really follow.– CyBrain4/4
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 8:03 a.m. – Permalink
FallowDeer
flash isnt to hot on any apple product
- -1– deldelesc1/7
  What are you talking about?– autonoma2/7
  he is right, up until recently, flash has always run slowly on a mac. even now it's still slower than windows– ephix3/7
  you guys are talking crazy mang.– moldero4/7
  what kind of macs are you guys running?– moldero5/7
  flash player was always a dog on macs up until 8 or 9– acescence6/7
  true, still runs slower on macs– Yaff7/7
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 8:06 a.m. – Permalink
skt
"Could this be the beginning of the end for Flash developers?"
yeah, i'm giving up making flash sites because they don't work on the iphone. fuck losing out on such a large percentage of people accessing the internet.
- +100– Mishga1/3
  I quit– maximillion_2/3
  who the fuck cares.– Iggyboo3/3
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 8:09 a.m. – Permalink
forbes
www.apple.com does not validate in html 4.01 transitional
jobs should practice what he preaches.. fuck anybody who says flash is dead!
- +10– BattleAxe1/2
  +100 = 110 + bonus level + Combo– Mishga2/2
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 8:10 a.m. – Permalink
jar
i read nokia's going to bring silverlight to it's symbian phones
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 8:11 a.m. – Permalink
MediaPimp
Wow. Talk about reality distortion fields. Apparently most readers don't understand the technology very well. Or technology in general for that matter...
The iPhone runs the Safari web browser. In order for the iPhone to use Flash, it would have to use the Flash plug-in which is developed for Desktop and Laptop computers, which the iPhone is obviously not. The iPhone simply doesn't possess the processing power to run the Flash plug-in. What Jobs is basically saying is that there is a product missing that would fall somewhere in between the Flash plug-in and Flash-Lite. Flash-Lite being a seriously scaled down version of Flash made specifically for mobile phones, but not for use within a web browser such as the iPhones.
Why is it that people look deeper into things than they should/need? And the media spins things out of control. Always. Take everything you read with a grain of salt, do some research. I honestly hope that this was posted as some form of sarcasm/joke.
- Rather than tout the shortcomings of Adobe in their lack of catering to a specific device, Jobs should stand behind his entire marketing campaign of the 'whole web on an iphone the way it was meant to be'... instead of 'the whole web, minus the awesome flash part'.– Ceballos1/5
  woops! text field limitations!– Ceballos2/5
  so in between all of that nerd angst your point is...?– dskz3/5
  ha. nerd angst, huh?– MediaPimp4/5
  nerd angst was pretty funny– Point55/5
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 8:15 a.m. – Permalink
trooper
the mobile web is the future... flash needs to be supported tho theyre gonna have to figure out how scaling up/down and finger control works!
- It is only first generation... who the fuck cares.– Iggyboo1/2
  mobile web may be the future... but flash isn't necessarily part of that future.– urban102/2
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 8:15 a.m. – Permalink
skt
No, i think he might have seriously thought that not having flash on the iphone might have spelt the death of flash itself.
fanboys crack me up.
- @media pimp.– skt1/10
  Was the fanboy gun aimed at me?– MediaPimp2/10
  no. the op– skt3/10
  i guess I am wondering if Flash is relegated to the desktop and the mobile industry moves without Flash...– dskz4/10
  it could hurt Flash in a big way in the future...– dskz5/10
  what makes you think that Adobe won't create something in the middle between Flash and Flash-lite?– MediaPimp6/10
  once more phones start supporting actual browsers, it will become necessity on Adobes part.
  – MediaPimp7/10
  for the record I dont have an iPhone.– dskz8/10
  they are developing that middleware with bad results, supposedly– dskz9/10
  if anything it could hurt the iphone... not flash.
  Do your math, how many flash users? how many iphone users?– Meeklo10/10
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 8:16 a.m. – Permalink
MediaPimp
if my career is riding on whether the iPhone supports Flash or not. I may as well quit now.
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 8:17 a.m. – Permalink
skt
although they do have a larger market share than i was expecting...
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- 3.5% macintel... u r having a lauch arent you?– trooper1/2
  trooper, I do believe we are talking about mobiles here– ephix2/2
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 8:20 a.m. – Permalink
Mojo
Goodbye career
- x2– moldero
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 8:21 a.m. – Permalink
dskz
I just hope that future mobile processors will be able to solve this dilemna.
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 8:29 a.m. – Permalink
rafalski
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/…
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 8:39 a.m. – Permalink
734
why in the fuck would anyone want flash on their phone? honestly who is surfing the web on the damn phone? that has always been a option that has seemed utterly useless to me
- that's because every mobile browser has been shit, until safari on iphone.– ephix1/4
  I agree cause safari is shit.
  – dan53822/4
  who are you?– ephix3/4
  – dan5382 is his name.
  and talking smack is his game. :)– exador14/4
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 8:42 a.m. – Permalink
Meeklo
"Could this be the beginning of the end for Flash developers?"
Are you fucking kidding me? Like developers are going to skip flash because it does not work on the iphone???!!!
You are not serious are you?
- mobile internet use will one day dwarf the desktop.– dskz1/3
  ...when people start stretching their anuses as a recreational activity– ElectroLAX30002/3
  Yea that's not likely to happen for a very long while.– fractionofawhole3/3
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 9 a.m. – Permalink
dskz
"Could this be the beginning of the end for Flash developers?"
I guess this stupid bait line is whats getting the most attention.
OK, iPhone is the first mobile with a true browser, iPhone doesnt support flash. Other mobiles will soon have integrated, true browsers... will they support Flash?
And if not, and mobiles become more than half the web browsing marketshare, will that have a negative effect on Flash content?
ANd could that trend start now?
Anyways I am neither a flash developer, nor do I own an iPhone. I do create Flash banners though and I got worried a little when reading this.
Thank you for reading my post.
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Dog-earMar 6, 08, 9:35 a.m. – Permalink
dskz
i am not Steve Jobs.
- i am.– SteveJobs1/4
  FYI "SteveJobs" you should watch what you say under this assumed name, gets illegal in a hurry– The_CCG2/4
  i'd be more cautious of anyone who took this alias seriously. and btw, i am stevejobs!– SteveJobs3/4
  Steve, why would you waste your time hangin around these rumor mills anyways...– chaimelimeliah4/4
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