no jail Scooter
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- monkeyshine0
I understand. I just think we need to rise above the us/them thinking... we're all in this mess together.
I was talking to someone from Russia who lives here in the States but her family is still there and she's worried that Russia is moving backward, amplifying the repression. She said she hears such familiar tones in the rhetoric of our government and is mystified that Americans, with such a history of revolution, are not actively outraged.
- PonyBoy0
apples and oranges...
... where no one goes to jail.
- bolus0
gigantic bump for tank!
- TheBlueOne0
...and how pissed off do you think the muckity mucks in the CIA are about this? I bet REAL pissed.
Look, this is and has been my point about the fucking Bush Administration since almost the beginning: All these things are bad - Lying to get us into a war, Katrina disaster, economic mismanagement, etc..all fucking terrible..but the worst thing this administration has done to undermine the functioning of our government is to politicize the bureacracy. Seriously, look, the US government ran as well as it did because there was little political allegience or corruption in the parts of government that did the business of government.
Bush has guys in the Forrest Service sign loyalty oaths!! They put guys in charge in NASA who had political agendas. And who can forget Heckuva Job Brownie..And forget what they've done to our military officer corp, especially in the Air Force...They gutted completely non-political professional jobs and stuck there fucking flunkies everywhere - it was a Soviet/Nazi model, not an American one.
This line of action will have disastorous consequences looong after Bush is forgotten, especially if these non-political buearacracies remain politicized by whoever is in office. That will be Bush's main domestic politcal legacy and it fucking stinks.
- TheBlueOne0
... where no one goes to jail.
PonyBoy
(Jul 3 07, 14:03)Because Clinton wasn't convicted in a court of law.
- mrdobolina0
this isnt about libby going to jail or not, it is about the trashing of the constitution.
Bill Clinton lied to cover up a blow job.
Scooter Libby lied to cover up false documents that started an illegal war that our country is going to be involved in forever.
Apples and Oranges.
- joyride0
isnt cass / alli have same bday?
i want to get cass something
my gf wont let me keep in touch with them.
or any girl for that matter
MrD
(Jul 2 07, 22:03)last I checked twins had the same birthday... but I guess it's possible to have it on different days.
lol at you're gf not letting you talk to them... but I've had a gf that said the same thing, jealous bitches!
- moth0
That's biggest load of crap I ever heard come from you BlueOne.
How on earth does "European monarchies" come into this?
I thought it was 51% that like repeated buggery.
- tank020
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gigantic bump for tank!
bolus
(Jul 3 07, 03:33)sorry bolus,
ik zal volgende keer beter opletten.
maar misschien kun je hier een belgenmop van maken ;)
- blaw0
...with liberty and justice for some.
- PonyBoy0
agreed, agreed... AND agreed, blueOne.
... look to the top though... Libby's not your man... right?
He's hurtin' enough in my opinion... take some cash... strip him of his career and make him report to P.O. for two years... cuz he lied.
I just looked into Clinton and his 'conviction'...
... you are right. My bad. He was impeached due to two hard-evidence pieces showing the man lying under oath... including in a videotaped 'legal testimony'... His impeachment was his 'conviction'...
... so... *swallows pride... your point is valid. ;)
- paraselene0
it was never 51%, jeez. not even back when i was living there during the first election.
- moth0
How on earth does "European monarchies" come into this?
moth
(Jul 3 07, 03:54)Oh - I see now.
However. I like our monarchy. They spread much Britishness and drink tea and farm sheep and shit. Interfere in politics and the judiciary they don't.
- PonyBoy0
I'm gonna go see Transformers right now...
... I'd ask you both to roll with... but you're too damned far away. ;)
PEAAAAACE!!!
- moth0
That's what wikipedia says.
// runs and hides
- blaw0
scooter libby was never going to spend time in prison, old boys club that our government is.
- TheBlueOne0
Bill Clinton lied to cover up a blow job.
mrdobolina
(Jul 3 07, 14:05)Actual Bill Clinton said he "did not have sex" which may or may not be true depending on how the court documents in question defined what constituted "sexual relations" , however he said this in an inquiry into his financial proceedings and perjury charges stick usually when you're lying about something, you know, relevant to the subject of the investigation. If he were a regular citizen a court probably would've laughed the case out of court.
Like if you went to court for stealing a car, and under oath the Prosecutor asked you "Did you have potato chips today?" And then you said "No", even though you had Pringles, which might or might not be considered potato chips bc they're made from extruded potato powder, and then they found you not guilty of stealing the car, there's no way you'd be convicted of lying about having potato chips for lunch.
And that's my analysis of the whole false cannard the Conservative fruitcakes throw up with the Clinton example...but they're all obsessed with sex anyway..
- TheBlueOne0
... so... *swallows pride... your point is valid. ;)
PonyBoy
(Jul 3 07, 14:09)*Buys PonyBoy a drink for being a man and swallowing pride.
We might disagree from time to time, but you're an honorable dude.
- PonyBoy0
eh... I've talked to you and Dobs enough to know that you only have 'my'/'yours' and 'the country's' interests (best) in mind...
... I'm not here to fight and call names... I just like to talk about it all and see if I can make sense of it... if you set me straight... so-be-it.
:)
You're both honorable in my book (my book is legible on a 6th grade level... so it's not tough to be in it)... :D
- pyeaton0
"isn't it about fuckin time you bloody americans do something about this idiot?!!!!
bolus
(Jul 2 07, 23:41)"you know what? Bolus is right. We should do something about this, but, alas, we won't there is us. We are outraged, but, come on. The majority of people in this country will shrug their shoulders, grab the remote, and put on American idol or Entertainment tonight.
This ass has:
1. Lied to initiate an unjust war (has anyone seen anything about what is happening with Iraq's oil? .....I haven't, and would think it would be very interesting to see how much of that is getting imported to the US while gas prices are at an all time high)
2. Continues to breed terrorists by continuing to occupy a muslim country that had nothing to do with 9/11)
3. Ignored the 9/11 commision's findings....cuz he has a gut feelin, and is the decider.
4. Brought American foreign policy to an all time low
5. Has not improved security
6. Ignored the destruction of Katrina and has left the people in NOLA out in left field. A complete disaster.
7. Has a hard time pronouncing multi syllabic wordsThe list continues. Feel free to add. My feeble brain is unable to process that massive amount of information.
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