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- foreign0
it wouldn't be nonsense if the meaning of the word 'verde' (which is the colour of hope as we say around here) could give 'peace' in dutch.
Witt
(Jan 6 07, 13:18)interesting. been digging around a bit, can't find a Afrikaans etymology dictionary...
etymology of 'verde' : http://www.etymonline.com/index.…
- foreign0
there's a lot of Portuguese in Afrikaans as well, but I'd be surprised if the shared 'vrede' started out in Afrikaans and transferred to Dutch. Dutch to Afrikaans seems more likely.
- mpfree0
Afrikaans is a Lower Franconian language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low…similar to Flemish right? hence all the Le Roux's, Viljoen's, etc.
Blame the Huguenots. at least they gave you great winefields! ;)
- foreign0
yeah, closer to Flemish than Dutch, with lots of Malay and tribal words. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afr…
- mpfree0
yeah, I mean there were so many "Coloured and Baster" words that are mixed into Namibian Afrikaans it was crazy. Cape Town is a perfect example of the Malay influence. Pretty girls and nice grub. All along that coastal region. Stellar!
:)
- Witt0
damn Romans! :P
I was a bit confused by the title not matching the words, beyond the fact that "prever-te" ("foresee you") sounds like 'verde' in the brazillian accent and could be a play on words.
But what, ihmo, makes this a beautiful poem is that "Verde" in portuguese also means something that his not ripe yet as opposed to mature (like love, or a fruit), or has not happened yet.
So i guess the "Verde" titling comes from the fact that the singer is antecipating a loving night but she's afraid her lover will not be there in the morning. That's why she speaks of a empty morning.
But in the second turn on the song (chorus), she sees her lover's body next to her ("your body has awaken") and the song ends. He's there.
A wonderful poem on antecipation, fear, reality, and hapiness. And it's beautiful because the whole deal turns out to be ok.
In portuguese culture (which is of course still present in Brazil) these theme-songs stem from the medieval tradition of Albas ("day-break" madrigals), which was a very popular theme in the middle ages. The funny thing is that whereas albas where to mourn the loss of the lover, this one starts on denial but ends up in the opposite way. Really beautiful.
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To Meeklo (i think he wanted the original text):
VERDE
Posso prever-te de manhã.
O teu corpo ficou.Posso, porque descansou
De uma noite cheia de amor,
E eu fiquei p'ra te olhar,
Sem te amar,
P'ra te ver,
Despertar,
P'ra sentir o amanhecer
Que chegou
Tão vazio
E p'ra ficar.Posso prever-te de manhã
O teu corpo acordou.---
btw, here's the full 1968 album ;)
- mpfree0
foreign, you should see the movie 'Blood Money'. Although, a little far-fetched, Leo DiCaprio doesn't do too bad a job of an Afrikaans accent with the whole, "Heey Breu, Is It" & "Lekker" lingo
he he, the shit he says, totally non-PC is spot on.
- Crouwel0
well, portuguese/spanish jews went to the netherlands after being chased by the catholic rule after 1500 AD. it wouldn't be nonsense if the meaning of the word 'verde' (which is the colour of hope as we say around here) could give 'peace' in dutch.
Witt
(Jan 6 07, 13:18)yup, this is how Amsterdam became Jew-capital no.1 and was called "Mokum" (=safe haven).
- Crouwel0
german has the word "Frieden" though...hmm..
- Witt0
was forgetting the french-flemish influence. it's obvious "vrede" comes from "vert", not from safardic jews.
- Witt0
and i'm sorry my ancesters kicked the jews out. i'd probably be a violinist now, instead of a homeless dude around a PC.
- Crouwel0
bloody catholics!
- mpfree0
bloody catholics!
Crouwel
(Jan 6 07, 14:21)yeah they forced out the Huguenoters
I think my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandmum was raped by a Roman. I'm far too dark to be an Austrian alone.
- Witt0
you damn protestants,
Vatican takes Paypal.
Get a life dude :)
- Witt0
I think my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandmum was raped by a Roman. I'm far too dark to be an Austrian alone.
mpfree
(Jan 6 07, 14:24)lol. as you move around i bet the raper was Sicilian before going to Rome ;)
- foreign0
wow Witt, you really are a wealth of information. thanks for the original text as well. is indeed a beautiful piece of music... what got me in the first place (not knowing the words) is the very subtle switch between the melancholic start to the almost 'happy' tone towards the first chorus and then the end of the track.
mpfree, still waiting for Blood Money to start showing here... looks interesting. funny how Afrikaners in movies are always either diamond dealers or guerilla fighters... and we don't all speak like that. :)
in Munich (Spielberg) the new James Bond plays an Afrikaner (one of the assasins) and does it reasonably well.
- Crouwel0
Witt = NT Yoda.
*tips hat
:)
- mpfree0
in Munich (Spielberg) the new James Bond plays an Afrikaner (one of the assasins) and does it reasonably well.
foreign
(Jan 6 07, 14:33)he's played that in 'Power of One': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The… as well as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_D… he seems to have a knack for accents
and I know about the accent stuff, I didn't mean to generalize, just funny. Actually, Afrikaans sounding English is very pretty to me.
- mpfree0
I think my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandmum was raped by a Roman. I'm far too dark to be an Austrian alone.
mpfree
(Jan 6 07, 14:24)lol. as you move around i bet the raper was Sicilian before going to Rome ;)
Witt
(Jan 6 07, 14:29)^_^
- Witt0
Witt = NT Yoda.
*tips hat
:)
Crouwel
(Jan 6 07, 14:38)* checks "Yoda" on google
* chekcs "NT" on google ( no results)
* giggles.