uk pollution tax
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- trooperbill
*rant* how stupid is that, instead of enforcing stringent manufacturing and industrial limitations on making environmentally friendly products in an environmentally friendly way phasing out current technology over the next few years. instead decide to let people keep their crap technology and charge you for the privilege, a small % of the charge will then be spent on 'green' issues - what a load of bullshit, its just another stealth tax. if Ford, Honda etc could not sell polluting cars in the UK theyd soon develop non polluting vehicles so put the sodding emphasis on the manufacturers to limit our choices to only environmentally friendly ones!
- phatlee0
Its ridiculuos, pollution tax isn't going to stop people from using their cars. I need mine to get to work otherwise it would take 2hrs on public transport. Why not invest more money into reliable and affordable public transport?
*Still considering moving to Alaska
- kezza_20
Couldn't agree more
- Bluejam0
bono will save us and start a 'join green' movement. it'll be like the 'join red' campaign but better.
- paraselene0
it's like these idiotic banners they've got up in the canary wharf station right now:
£24 will offset the carbon footprint you create flying round trip to hong kong!
well, that's great and all, but maybe we should be figuring out how not to leave the carbon footprint in the first place rather than throwing money at the problem after the fact?
- shutdown0
i'm going to build my own island just outside portsmouth and live in my own tax haven.
any donation of spare empty oil barrels for floatation devices greatly appreciated
- Kuz0
i dont know anythin about the governments tax plans or the stern report, but i'm just guessing...
sounds like a classically neo-liberal solution to the problem, that maintains the integrity of the freemarket by incentivizing the consumer. I.E you make it more expensive for the consumer to buy polluting cars, more and more people buy greener alternatives, manufacturers respond by producing more greener cars, greener cars become cheaper.
Isn't that the only way to do this without sacrificing economic growth?
- Dancer0
i'm going to build my own island just outside portsmouth and live in my own tax haven.
any donation of spare empty oil barrels for floatation devices greatly appreciated
shutdown
(Oct 31 06, 01:19)I am sure that those Gun Turrets (?sp) that were built in the WWII have houses/helipads/swimming pools on them now, mind you they are still in British Waters...
- fyvp0
If they are going to tax us, they should use the income to subsidise energy efficient cars and electrical appliances. At the moment we're all told that buying inefficient goods (which are cheaper) damages the planet, but for those without a high income there's no other option.
As for Honda being "allowed to" create waste by the government -- actually they're one of the more environmentally friendly manufacturers. They produce the diesel engine with the lowest CO2 emissions on the market (The iCDTI from the "hate" advert) and have created a concept car that only produces water as waste. The average car manufacturer also produces about 50kg of waste for each hatchback-sized car made; Honda produces around 5kg, and will be reducing that figure to 0kg within 5 years.
So perhaps it's the more responsible car manufacturers should be guiding the government on becoming more energy efficient...
- Bluejam0
we consume too much, rolling out even more products that we *have to buy* is not the answer
- shutdown0
but meanwhile we have to pay for the other car builders that don't seem to be rushing to be greener?
nobody is buying more Honda's just because they are greener (although the Toyota Prius (?sp) ) seems to be doing well
- UndoUndo0
those hydrogen fuels cells are really interesting fycp - i think thats what yr talking about - they only give out water as 'waste'
- OBBTKN0
The problem with fuell cell powered cars is that the massive hidrogen production and storage for the petrol based cars replacement is now impossible and very expensive...
And, if i´m not comfused, the system is highly corrosive and all the parts will be repplaced after years of use.
But i think this is the future for massive personal transportation.
- 23kon0
talking of tax .....
isnt it nice of the UK government to not ban online gambling like the US have done, but instead - look into a way to govern online gambling and make it safer and better.
are they doing it for us? for our benefit?
or is it cos they make millions and millions each year from taxing it thats why it wont be banned?
dont you
- 23kon0
the petrol companies have been holding onto the hydrogen technology for years and years - its nothing new!
when the petrol runs out, thats when you'll see that technology go widespread. and not a day before.
i'll put money on that!
- OBBTKN0
when the petrol runs out, thats when you'll see that technology go widespread. and not a day before.
i'll put money on that!
23konTrue...
- vespa0
meanwhile, a return ticket on an hour-long journey to swindon (don't ask) costs £90 and you don't even get a seat (unless you waltz into first class and pretend you have a right to be there)
in a car it's £20 in petrol - which one would you choose?
- republik80
vespa > exactly.....
- Boikov0
Point is, doesn't matter if it's cars, planes, plastic bags, computers, whatever... governments need to be making decisions that will be 'unpopular' with business rather than passing the buck onto consumers.
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Consumers consume. Producers need are the ones that need regulating.
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Rant ends :)
- shutdown0
meanwhile, a return ticket on an hour-long journey to swindon (don't ask) costs £90 and you don't even get a seat (unless you waltz into first class and pretend you have a right to be there)
in a car it's £20 in petrol - which one would you choose?
Vespa
Well said sir!!
- Kuz0
If you penalise producers, the price will be paid by consumers regardless.