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- mrdobolina0
frenchmen spending my tax dollars, ummmmmmmmm. no.
- Cactus0
Your xenophophibic nationalism shocks me to the core. Internationalism is the hallmark of the traditional left.
Are you deviating from the party line?
- mrdobolina0
no pigeonholes here. I would like to meet you out for a beer or so later, but you live on another continent.
also, blue and I were never known as liberals until after 9/11, you know that right?
- Cactus0
o pigeonholes here. I would like to meet you out for a beer or so later, but you live on another continent.
also, blue and I were never known as liberals until after 9/11, you know that right?
mrdobolina
(Oct 14 06, 14:50)Avec plaisir...
But you know that is, the definition of a neocon....
A liberal who's been mugged...
- mrdobolina0
stay on target, cactus.
- Cactus0
...like a laser.
- mrdobolina0
like a laser with nothing to lose, right? It isn't your nephew who may get drafted into horrible foreign policy, it is mine. so, have your opinion, that is dope, but I am not trying to effect french policy, please know that.
- mrdobolina0
but then again, I have "infantile" opinions, so whatever.
- TheBlueOne0
You know this whole notion of who's "left" and "right" is just bullshit based on some insane 18th century French notion of who sat on what side during the French Legislative Assembly adter the revolution.
The terms are horribly outdated and don't mean jack shit anymore.
I vote to get right of 'lefty liberal" and "righty jackass" right now...come on we're 21st century designers. We can design up some new political affiliation names, like you know, The Sane, for those that oppose Bush, and I don't know..the Insane for those who find some sort of psychological solace without rational in his policies, or lack there of. But hey, that's just a starting point.
But regardless of my Bush rant there, the whole Left Right concept is well passed it's sell by date now. It's like using tables in a CSS world...
- lowimpakt0
so what do you think should be in it's place?
left = cool people with nice hair
right = neurotic bigots with rich parents
- Crouwel0
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- garett_west0
"genocide. we should have troops in sudan."
I thought one of your arguements has always been we're not the world police. "we're"=America.
Now you WANT us to be the world police?!? Flip flop flip flop.
Not to start an arguement, but haven't you been saying we shouldn't be the world police as your whole basis against the Iraq war. Now you basically want us to go to war in Sudan and wipe out the bad guys?
- lowimpakt0
who says you're the world police?
police bring order.
- TheBlueOne0
I would like the US to do things militarily that are consistent with our national interest and consistent with our constitutional principles. Interpret that whether you think that's being the "world's police" however you want. I personally have never taken a pacifist point of view, and find a strong military neccessary to the prestige and influence of the US.
Toppling the Taliban and denying AL Queda a base of operations is in our national interest, especially after attacking us on 9/11.
Providing humanitarian aid and stability to regions that are failed states - see Sudan, et al - that provide openings for terrorist organization to find safe haven, ditto. This has to be taken on a case by case basis.
Invading sovereign nations that we have under control through diplomatic and economic means in the hopes to "install democracy" and which are not a threat to the interests of the US, at the high cost of blood and status? I see that as a negative. See Iraq.
I know some of you guys saw Saddam as a threat and somehow connected to 9/11. I do not, nor do I think the evidence was or is there to support it. Historical we had always had our hands in his regime and he was a paper tiger who just happened to sit on huge reserves of oil - and the Bush administration caters to the oil industry, at the expense of our national and patriotic interest. And it has been a terrible policy from day one.
Discuss.