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- madirish0
""I'm tryng to compose a web page on Illustrator. "
There's your problem right there
jevad
(Jul 26 06, 15:58)"Yessir.
chz
(Jul 26 06, 15:58)oh, fuck that. if i hear for a second that "Photoshop" is what is "better" i will loose it.
please...
- madirish0
i need to rephrase this.
whatever works for the designer and their environment is what they should use. period. i made a comment months and months ago that becuase someone was using something to design, that there was a 'better tool'. i then retracted that statement 100% and said whatever you use, use it awesome.
i lay out all sites in AI becuase i feel it is a superior application and offers the most versatility for porting the design(s) to any other outlet than the original, known medium of 'website'. i firmly believe that not working in a vector-based application to do this is an inferior way of working, but do not for a second try and tell another how to design the nest for them.
that is what i meant.
- monNom0
I disagree, pixel precision and the ability to tweek/mask/edit imagery/elements in context is a pretty big thing to let go of. Your horizons are so much broader in photoshop than they are in illustrator... use them together sure, but spitting out webgraphics from illustrator?
nasty.I'm pretty handy with both, and
I'll use illustrator for figuring out the layout of complex sites, or for illustration, but beyond that, all final work needs to be done in photoshop.
- monNom0
er, should have read the next post. I have to agree with this:
"whatever works for the designer "
nice work btw Madrish. I'm surprised some of it came out of Illustrator
- PonyBoy0
Enter response:
use 'em hand in hand... wireframe your specific pixels (shapes, vector graphics etc) in illy... define your layout in illy... then peice it together in photoshop too... having two working files that bounce off of each other 'so-to-speak'...
... super helpful are 'smart objects' and 'vector masks' in photoshop... but to make them with precision - create them in illy... (thus the first file will be illustrator that you work in... to define your exact pixels, corner radius' etc... then... jump to PS)
- madirish0
disagree and agree.
for ALL image manipulation, photoshop w/o question. this is what it was and is designed for, and i would never want to change that. i use both during the process but remember, the question presented was for laying out a site.
i disagree that AI limits the designer in any way and that pixel precision is not available w/ it. if you are building from coherent, ordered grid and have your document/stage setup correctly, pixels are the only thing it will align to. if not, this is somewhat sloppy.
i also miss how all final work needs to be done in pshop?
why?
what about it offers that true ability in site design not in AI? aside from manipulating imagery to fall w/in the layout.
- PonyBoy0
I'm surprised some of it came out of Illustrator
monNom
(Jul 26 06, 17:39)
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Enter response:you shouldn't be... :)
... madirish is dead-on right.
- madirish0
thanks monNom, i think we all work as hard as we can, about what we are passionate about.
i will champion vector-based apps for as long as i can. i sincerely feel pshop has been bastardized and banaid'd to accomodate masses, not 'evolved' with the times and coming from the audience.
i like critiques like this! :)
- PonyBoy0
aside from manipulating imagery to fall w/in the layout.
madirish
(Jul 26 06, 17:41)
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Enter response:layer effects etc... w/layer effects you can make your pixels super-smooth, have super-clean precise strokes (w/opacity and blending mode adjustment... even gradient fills etc)...
... more photo-realistic options and ease of adjustment in Photoshop than in Illustrator.
But irish... i totally hear what you're saying... not arguing with you!! I start and work in illy using 'effects', layers, blending modes, masks etc... sometimes stay in Illy and never leave except to adjust a 'placed' image and accept the update when I return to illy...
... illy is super-powerful... it just depends on what detail you're going after... you have more visual/pixel manipulation ability and 'stability' (imho) in PS than you do in illy.
- madirish0
good points, Pony. i hear you all the way, and see what sort of design elements are better suited to finalize in pshop. i guess some (maybe more) of this critique rests on the desired aesthetic the designer is going for. i feel a designed informational display of content is best suited to be completed in AI, but can see if the concept rests on heavy effects and/or image manipulation (rather than letting natural photography shine through) pshop is the best tool to achieve the solution.
- mynx0
Thought this might be a suitable thread to stitch this question to... How do I draw a pixel perfect dotted line in illustrator? - One pixel thick then a dot for every 3 pixels along.
- Fariska0
Anyway, problem solved :)
Thanks peep.Here's the result
http://www.magmaedia.com/clienti…-"Proposta scura" is 100% PS
-"Proposta chiara" 100% IllyNext time i have to try a mixed approach. b/c i feel more confortable with PS for some functions /effects (layer styles i.e) and with illy for other things.
- Dancer0
So what did you do to find the best results then Fariska?
Proposta Chiara is so much clearer
- Fariska0
Actually i find myself more confortable with PS (probably cause i always used that for laying out pages) Anyway using Illy i learned a tons of things.
As said before, next time i'll adopt an hybrid approach (smart objects? maybe).
- Dancer0
Yeah but what did you have do to the type in Illy to make it so crisp, just curious as I have always used PS
- PonyBoy0
Enter response:
search the pvn... talked about this maybe... 2 weeks ago? less?
- monoboy0
mynx - go to the stroke panel, (make sure the options are turned on). Change the weight to 1px or 1pt (1pt is same as 1px), click dashed line, choose dash width and dash gap as desired. done.
Also make sure you doc prefs are in px and line up in exact XY px values. Done
- acescence0
under the effect menu, rasterize, options anti-aliasing: none
- jevad0
"I'm tryng to compose a web page on Illustrator. "
There's your problem right there
- chz0
""I'm tryng to compose a web page on Illustrator. "
There's your problem right there
jevad
(Jul 26 06, 15:58)"Yessir.