New Job, Salary
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- susan-deaux
I've been lucky enough to find myself a pretty good job. Should be a learning experience and the pay is pretty good. That is, it's as much as my last job.
I've got all the paper work done and ready to go when I get told the average work day is 10 hours a day.
I have no problem working extra hours and doing what it takes to get a project done. But I feel like they're trying to sneak one in on me at the last second. Maybe it was my fault for not asking. I've always assumed salary was based on 40 hours a week, and in our industry especially, you do what it takes to get the job done on time. The fact it was left out until now leaves me feeling a bit shafted.
How would you take it?
- CincodeMayo0
Are you in LA? This sounds very much like a company I just left...
- kbags0
I'm pretty sure i was once told that in California, anything over 40 hours is legally considered overtime.
- uberdesigner0
work as slow as slaves
- susan-deaux0
It's in L.A.
- CincodeMayo0
In Venice?
- _salisae_0
that's not cool. i'd feel tricked. but it could be a tactic .. ask around once you get acquainted.
- susan-deaux0
Not ultimately familiar with the area but yeah, I think so.
- CincodeMayo0
Home entertainment/dvd packaging?
- Point50
yeah, Cinco, it is legally considered overtime. But I think most of us know that a lot of these companies just basically tell you to "get the job done" knowing two things:
1.) most designers have a sense of pride and attachement to their projects and will "hang around" until it's done
2.) there's a pressure to stay around "no questions asked" because there are 200 other designers out there in line ready to take your job, portfolios in hand, that are willing to work that 70 hrs per week and not say shit about it.So, it usually plays out that we all stay behind and figure out that our jobs are paying us a flat salary of $XX,XXX.xx/yr. for a variable 40-80 hours of work/per week.
- version30
ask for a 20-25% increase in pay if thay are going to increase the workload that same percentage
- susan-deaux0
No I don't think that's it. I know they've got a DVD out, but from what I can tell it's more development based.
- CincodeMayo0
Yeah, it was fine for a while, but it got to a point where I couldn't make any plans for after work. I'd be walking out the door at about 7:00pm and the office manager would come up and say "so tonight you'll be working on..."
I'm very happy with my new 9-5.
- level2b0
in NYC advertising it's understood you're def going be in the office more tha 40hrs a week – no overtime.
I have a lot of frends that ONLY freelance due to this fact. There are advantages and disadvantages.. 401k, health insurance, etc.
- susan-deaux0
Glad to konw I'm not the only one that would feel a little cheated by it.
I'm not at all trying to lose the job, but I'm not too keen on becoming a door mat either.
I work hard and stay late, but I'm not so comfortable with it being a requirement without a pay increase. I think my rate was fairly affordable to begin with.
- CincodeMayo0
Oh, ok, then you're probably safe. I was working for a company in Venice, nice people, great owner, gorgeous offices, cool projects, but the "unknown hours" killed me. I was mentally and physically drained.
Just manage your time well, and if possible think of an excuse that's a weekly event (ie., babysitting, playing a sport, etc.) that will let you leave at a normal time, at least once a week. Tell your boss upfront so it's scheduled on a weekly basis. It'll save your life.
- CincodeMayo0
Are you getting a nice package? I just got a flat salary...no benefits whatsoever. So it was really a bad move. I stayed with them for 4 months. But if it's worth it money wise, it's not the end of the world.
- Mattiadesign0
It might be too late, if already said yes and signed the paperwork. There's nothing you can really do, and for the way they did it, it sounds like they are not going to pay OT.
Our industry sucks for that, most of the time you get stuck working extra crazy hours for nothing, unless you're a freelancer! =)
- jevad0
ask for a 20-25% increase in pay if thay are going to increase the workload that same percentage
version3
(May 30 06, 14:23)
- susan-deaux0
I still have the papers in hand. I start tomorrow, shot an email asking what time to come in and was told the hours.
I was certainly aware of over time being a necessity. But this is an instant 500 hours a year or so.
Contemplating asking for 15% or so.
- _salisae_0
good for you. tell us how that goes.