if flash, why AJAX?
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- kinetic
after all the hype, i just started learning AJAX and i have to say, it's pretty cool. not to difficult either
but. im pretty damn good with flash and getting dynamic data in there...much more so than i am with javascript
why should someone use AJAX if there is flash? since windows ships with the flash player, is player availability really a big thing?
- tomkat0
since when does windows ship with the player?
- madirish0
not to hype the hype of 'AJAX', but there is commonly a lot faster development and lower cost w/ doing this through a LAMP solution than via Flash. This, IMO, is because deign agencies doing this in FLash still charge for it like it is front-end flash work and thus it turns people off from this solution.
Secondly, Flash being as proprietary as it is both with deisgners working in it, and the player technology itself, make the tips, dialogue on how to acccomplish this hard to find. Thus, shops end up spending (and estimating) tons of time to do it.
- jmteow0
since when does windows ship with the player?
tomkat
(Feb 6 06, 10:43)"Microsoft will begin shipping Flash Player 6 with SP2"
- ukit0
They both have their place. I don't think we'll start seeing Ajax banner ads. On the other hand, Ajax makes sense for big web apps since it is actual HTML, and has all the advantages that come with that.
- kinetic0
true. it is quite nice for quick development
although, in a lot of the examples i've seen...it would seem as though the scripts would beat the hell out of the middleware (PHP or whatever)
things like checking onKeyUp ... is that really necessary? wouldn't this kind of thing really eat up resources...especially if the middleware is doing db checks?
- JazX0
simplify
- madirish0
maybe, maybe not. we are talking about PHP here and if one has deep knowledge of it when review AJAX solutions, it is clear that there is nothing really that would "beat the hell out of it." PHP is *extreemly* robust scripting language, it can be scaled for really any load- dynamically as well should that be required.
as for load, are you referring to server, or client load? depending on what you are talking to via PHP on the quiery side, the server load can be next to nothing, regardless of requests. now, on the client side there could be some issues, but if that is the case, there is probably being too much scripting doen there and not enough on the server side.
the load in particular is one of the resons this cocktial called AJAX works so well- it can handle just about anything.
- exador10
chances are you wont be seeing the latest mini site for a BMW car done with AJAX or whatever...for that sort of thing (and plenty others) flash has its' place, front and centre...
on the other hand..
for a lot of companies, flash just isn't the way they want to go...for a variety of reasons that most of you all know (being in the business afterall)
AJAX has a ton of benefits, can do some fairly cool things, and has the benefit of not being tied up with something like flash...it just works, no player necessary...
and while, yes, flash will ship with windows or whatever...a lot of folks simply don't have it...
my folks have it now (in their late 60's) but only because i told them to install it..they thought it was some kind of virus.....(layoff..they're old)....
and lots of big companies are very very very explicit on what and what NOT can be installed on their company computers...
flash included.anyhow, thats just what i think..
i like flash, but i've always been more impressed with sites that don't use it.
:)
ex
- madirish0
simplify
JazX
(Feb 6 06, 10:54)i second that.
- Nac_part20
1 day in flex = 1 week in ajax
- kinetic0
madrish -> server load ... i just thought if you are checking in with php onkeyup when entering data into a field...that could get pretty intensive
i like flash too...ive always been a huge fan of flash since ver 4 and i think i always will be providing adobe doesn't bugger it up ;)
- kinetic0
ahh flex...that always pops up.
i still don't really understand it...mostly because i haven't really investigated it
isn't it xml controlled flash interfaces or something to that affect.
i read on one of the dura's blogs the other day that the new flex may have some free stuff to try out with it
- imakedesign0
ajax is simply hyped up javascript.. anyone remember those crappy preset effects in frontpage.. that ajax.
ajax suffers the same failings as flash. no back button or deeplinking support.
- Nac_part20
yes try out flex 2 environment... sic
- joyride0
basecamp (http://www.basecamphq.com) uses AJAX. its really nice, so it doesn't feel like a web app. its just smooth. IMO its the way web apps should be, a bit of design with a whole bunch of functionality. Uses rubyOnRails too. Wish my server supported it =(
- PacoTaco0
bah... nevermind... just found it
- kinetic0
found what?
yea, ive been hearing about this ruby on rails thing too....seems like web dev for people without a clue.
- joyride0
oh and http://maps.google.com uses ajax
- imakedesign0
oh and maps.google.com uses ajax
joyride2
(Feb 6 06, 12:37)intresting head to head:
http://maps.yahoo.com/beta/index…
yahoo you can bookmark, deeplink, use your back button
+1 for flash
- joyride0
agreed +1 for flash... damn that is nice.
Come'on google, don't be made cuz I sold your stock.