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- mrdobolina0
answer the question.
- mrdobolina0
seriously, can anything really be irreducibly complex?
Or is it just limited by current science?
- flagellum0
I'm afraid so, the analogy to ID theorists as punk rockers works extremely well.
Down with the establishment.
- pavlovs_dog0
" At this point, other than flexing some seriously impressive expository muscles, aren't we just honing his debate skills? "
hear, hear!
its time to engage the flaggelate in a campaign of mockery.
- flagellum0
more on the flagellum and co-option canards...
- KuzIII0
evolution of the flagella:
"Testable outlines exist for the origin of each of the three motility systems, and avenues for further research are clear; for prokaryotes, these avenues include the study of secretion systems in free-living, nonvirulent prokaryotes. In eukaryotes, the mechanisms of both mitosis and cilial construction, including the key role of the centriole, need to be much better understood. A detailed survey of the various nonmotile appendages found in eukaryotes is also necessary. Finally, the study of the origin of all of these systems would benefit greatly from a resolution of the questions surrounding deep phylogeny—what are the most deeply branching organisms in each domain, and what are the interrelationships between the domains?"
- petrol0
hmmm actual money works for me :)
- flagellum0
dobs, if you remove any one component from an irreducibly complex molecular machine, it fails completely. It requires all parts at once, to function, or not at all. Something Natural Selection cannot acheive. So, yes they are irreducible.
Somebody forgot to tell Wikipedia that co-opting existing components of an IC machine for other molecular machine doesn't provide an adequate explanation of how it was built in the first place by a gradualistic mechanism.
- flagellum0
Yes!
"We can't counter his facts about the science, so rather than be intellectually honest about the evidence... let's just sling mud! It's more fun anyways!"
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- TheTick0
Have you guys even been to a born again church lately - I mean they use hiphop and punk rock as youth outreach programs. Not that Hiphop and rap are really anything I'd peg as actually rebellious these days.
Look - a key to the survival of christianity has been it's ability to co-opt popular things and make them seem like they were all part of the plan to begin with. The fact that it has co-opted popular forms of entertainment let alone now attempting to co-opt science yet again only shows you the methodology behind the madness...
- JazX0
Misconception: Evolution is like a climb up a ladder of progress; organisms are always getting better.
It is true that natural selection weeds out individuals that are unfit in a particular situation, but for evolution, “good enough” is good enough. No organism has to be perfect. For example, many taxa (like some mosses, protists, fungi, sharks, opossums, and crayfish) have changed little over great expanses of time. They are not marching up a ladder of progress. Rather, they are fit enough to survive and reproduce, and that is all that is necessary to ensure their existence.
Other taxa may have changed and diversified a great deal—but that doesn’t mean they got “better.” After all, climates change, rivers shift course, new competitors invade—and what was “better” a million years ago, may not be “better” today. What works “better” in one location might not work so well in another. Fitness is linked to environment, not to progress.
- flagellum0
I've been born again for a very long time, mrdobs. I've only been familiar with ID for a couple of years.
- pavlovs_dog0
no?
- JazX0
ehh.. k can't do that one but I here you...
- Mimio0
He said in his recent testimony that an intelligent designer is not falisifiable.
- mrdobolina0
how old are you?