Downloading Music...
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- spiralstarez
Just curious, always see people posting angry about designs being ripped off, or fonts that haven't been licensed being traded, so wonder:
How about downloading music? Do you do it? If so how do you justify it if you are against the above?
I for one (like most I think) download music (legal here in Canada) and don't see a problem with it.
I've introduced myself to many new bands that I"ve bought a ticket to see, and by doing that I am giving the band money instead of paying the record company...
- mg330
I've not downloaded anything but live stuff in close to two years.
Lars really scared me away from it.
- Baskerville0
How do you figure that record companies don't make money out of live concerts?
- spiralstarez0
what happened to Lars to scare him away from it? As far as I understand if you are only taking mp3s they can't do anything to your computer?
Or you mean copyright?
- spiralstarez0
baskerville:
I'm sure record companies do make money out of the concerts - how much I don't know.
Just know that bands make most of their money touring, especially if they are new.
- k0na_an0k0
i get most of mine from apples itunes store.
but before that i bet over the years i've downloaded about 1500 songs the bad way.
- mg330
Live stuff - (and I actually can't remember the last time I looked for it because I don't even have software installed, last thing I had was kazaa)
If it's a live bootleg that someone in the crowd did, the record company is in no way loosing money.
Honestly, I've been back to the days before P2P software for a few years now. No telling how much I've spent on cds that I probably could have downloaded for free.
- danthon0
This is what Jeff Tweedy from wilco has to say about it.
What if there was a movement to shut down libraries because book publishers and authors were up in arms over the idea that people are reading books for free? It would send a message that books are only for the elite who can afford them.
Stop trying to treat music like it's a tennis shoe, something to be branded. If the music industry wants to save money, they should take a look at some of their six-figure executive expense accounts. All those lawsuits can't be cheap, either.
- spiralstarez0
Yeah I think the legal argument goes something to the effect that if I own a CD, and let you listen to it or play it when you are over, you don't have to pay for that.
So it's kind of a question of whether having it as an mp3 on your computer constitutes owning something or having it temporarily...
- armed_rob0
These independent danish hip hop artists have a great idea I think:
http://www.riminalitet.org/
http://www.cipherzone-records.co…
Download an EP and a mixtape free with printable cover...They get lots of people to speak 'bout them that way.
Now that a christmas present!
- mg330
I agree with that danthon and I think about things like that all the time. My band has just gotten going with recording an playing shows since the late summer after we'd first started working on stuff a year ago.
Yes, of course I hope we're successful and can go far with it. People want to call the musicians greedy, when in reality it's the execs that see music only as a potential dollar sign, with no emotional attachement to it.
That sucks. Maybe I'll run into people like that one day, maybe not.
- spiralstarez0
Yeah I don't think it's any secret anymore with American Idol, Britney Spears, Popstars, or any churned out boy/girl band how much music from the record industry has become more about branding than it has about music.
I think the online industry is creating smaller independent labels and giving more power to the people who actually want to make music and not just money.
- Anarchitect0
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- abstrakt0
i kinda take both sides on this argument. my argument for the record companies is this... they're a legit business selling a product. there is NOTHING wrong with that. if you don't like the company, don't buy their products, and just because you don't like the company doesn't mean you should steal their product. the artists chose to sign onto their label, knowing how much of the profits the record company would take. they sign onto a big label for the exposure. from there they can do live shows, promotions, advertisements (for example, iPod, etc.). We all know the record companies are gonna have to change sooner or later, but saying the record companies are evil? they're a totally legit business.. (like any large corporation there's some shady stuff going on behind the scenes though.) personally i think people are getting mad at the wrong people. why not get mad at the artists? they're the ones who signed with the label.
- QuincyArcher0
usually, i only download live stuff, and things that aren't available in the US.
There are a couple of exceptions. For Example, i have the coldplay song The Scientist, but i don't own the cd. I'm also never going to buy the cd, because i only like that one song...
- JazX0
it can't be justified, you're right
- shotoshi0
Spiralstarez, in my experience, as a wee record label, labels don't make money from live concerts.
Bands/Artists have agents, managers, promoters - they are the ones who make money aside from the band/artist.
Label makes money off record sales, that may or may not derive from people seeing the band live and saying 'hey, I'm gonna buy their rekkids'.
Buy music you cheap bastards!
- nick0
i havent bought a record in years...
- gruntt0
i typically only download music when i'm drunk and i think, "Oh shit! I wanna hear Whodini - 5 Minutes of Funk"
- fullerc0
I only own one Wilco disc and have seen them live twice.
I will be sure to ask for copies of all their CD's now.
Thanks Mr. Tweety