CSS Font Help
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- ivan_cook
anyone know how he is getting text to render anti-aliased (ie. the titles on his site) on a PC?
- johndiggity0
looks fine to me, maybe pc's just do that?
- MX_OnD0
and this has what to do with CSS?
- cvirus0
it's flash text written with javascript... http://www.shauninman.com/mentar…
always seemed like a roundabout way to do things when you can achieve the same results with PHP, but all that standards stuff seems roundabout to me.
- warheros0
that's a sharp site, regardless.
- MX_OnD0
thanks hiphoprelic
nice.
- shaft0
I prefer flash solution though, it's good for both headers and animated buttons. Also, it's selectable.
Standards were set by nerds who don't understand visual nature of the web, but still CSS is a great thing. I hate validation though, for most new webdevelopers it's more important if the site validates than what it looks like. Religious freaks.
- gabriel20
Yeah, those stupid nerds setting standards and trying to make the web easier for everyone to access...what a bunch of jerks...
- shaft0
On one hand it seems a good idea, but on the other it's not possible to accomplish in many cases.
Simply put, in many situations you cannot separate content from presentation.
Imagine a 'movie standards consortium' that wants every movie to be fully accessible. The scripts should be written in a dumbed down way that would allow everyone to understand the movie just by listening or reading subtitles.
- gabriel20
"Imagine a 'movie standards consortium' that wants every movie to be fully accessible."
Actually, there have been "movie standards" since the beginning of film. How else would you be able to rent a any VHS tape or DVD and have it work in your home player? These standards are set up so that we don't have to develop 48 different versions of a site to match the different viewers out there. Can you imagine what it'd be like if there were no broadcast television standards?
- shaft0
I'm not saying 'web standards are bad', just that oddly they make web sort of 'retarded'.
How do you take a subtle message that you present with visuals, motion and sound and make it accessible through a mobile phone?
How do you translate a picture into xml? Seriously, take:
http://www.digart.pl/zoom.php?id…
..and what? Summarize?
In many situations you cannot convert symbolic language way of communication into verbal level.
That's why so-hated by web-purists flash doesn't loose its popularity.
- cvirus0
You can still achieve the same effect with PHP/MySQL/Flash... the javascript rewrite seems a bit much, especially since people can disable javascript.
- cvirus0
also, one of web standards big selling points is the sepation of content/design...this, again, can be achieved with all of your content being generated through a DB.
- gabriel20
You need to do some more reading on web standards and accessibility. You're still stuck in the mindset that coding to proper web standards limits the design of a site, a competent programmer can achieve just about any design using properly formed code. And if you haven't noticed, macromedia has been making some great steps towards making flash more accessible...
- shaft0
also, one of web standards big selling points is the sepation of content/design...thi s, again, can be achieved with all of your content being generated through a DB.
cvirus
(Dec 15 04, 09:48)
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Sure, but my point is, some content loses its message and turns garbage when separated from design. Especially in advertising, where you must send the msg indirectly or it won't reach the addressee's brain in desired way.
- cvirus0
yeah yeah...i've read up on web standards and i have zeldman's book and read simplebits like every other nerd.
i'm stuck in the mindset that CSS is great, but this "CSS or die/CSS holier than thou" attitude that designers are copping is sooooo annoying and the reality is that most viewers aren't looking at code when they're on a website. They just see a site for it's overall design, not it's nested DIVs.
- shaft0
"You need to do some more reading on web standards and accessibility. "
You are not the first person who tells me this, but I did my homework long ago and I am still sure about my point. The people who created standards didn't bother to give us a simple way of positioning elements vertically and horizontally on screen. Also, as I remember, there is no "screen" property in DOM. Why?
Once again, I like CSS a lot and enjoy using it, but I am not going to kneel on W3C altar.
- gabriel20
surely you've come across the 300 threads in the PVN that have listen numerous ways to achieve centered content, as far as the screen object in DOM specs goes, perhaps it will be in the next version of specs. Again, you're simply arguing that we should just create code in any form and structure we like and give a big FU to anybody that doesn't happen to have one of the 4 - 5 browsers we develop for because we're too lazy to want to take the time to code properly...
- cvirus0
"wah wah wah...i'm designing for the future of the web"...in the future, the web will be shot directly into our brains with lasers.
90% of CSS sites look like crappy blogger templates.
how many people are still using AOL dial-up? you think that is going away anytime soon? it sucks, but it'll be around for a while...just like all those legacy browsers and sites you now despise even though you were designing them last year.
really, who cares besides a bunch of geeks with too much time on their hands? quit trying to make yourself think you're making the web a better place and shoving your elitist views in everyone's faces...you're wasting your lives. go play halo 2.
- gabriel20
cvirus sounds like a very lonely and bitter person. I'm not trying to impose standards on anyone, I'm simply arguing that they're not these evil rules put together by "nerds" who just want to muck with site designs. The reason you see so many standards based sites that look similar is because they aren't being built by designers, but by coders. And the great thing about properly formed pages is that they still work in legacy browsers, they just may not look as nice. There's nothing elitist about wanting to improve the interweb...