second-hand MP3s
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- shotoshi
hello, I'm new here. I own and run the Sur La Plage record label here in London, which will close in 2005 and be re-invented as Audio Bento (the label that is, not the city!)
Anyways... I have had an idea for a second-hand MP3 site for some time now. It started off as a joke but the more I thought about it, the more the concept started to make some sense.
However, I lack the funds and technical skills to continue it further than it is already. Is anyone here sufficiently curious and mischevious enough (not mentioned highly skilled) to carry the flame?
- tomkat0
eerr..
you have more ideas to share?
- rabattski0
brilliant concept! but is it legal? as in can one really sell their legal obtained mp3's to others? i guess with cd's you can't but you never know. i can imagine that the music industry is not gonna be happy with this.
- aliendn0
i dont get it, doesnt sound right...isn't it like paying to be a pirate?
ok so your selling your rights to something digitally aquired. i can understand if you sell your rights to say the ownership of property, for u must give up your property once u sell the rights. but if you sell your rights to digital audio...you still have that that file...so then i can just keep buying audio, and selling it for a cheaper price when i turn it around, so in essence im getting new music for cheaper. dont think that will fly with the law.
- JazX0
it's not legal, trust me. second-hand mp3's. there is no such thing. that's like a second-hand human.
- rabattski0
yeah but you're allowed to sell your cd's and you can also copy those. i understand the problem though. you really need to physically transfer the digital file but how can one check if that has been done for real.
- JazX0
But, you can't copy CD's and then sell them though. Same for software or anything.
- rabattski0
jazx, give me good a reason why it's not possible? i agree to a certain extent that's it's odd but it's a medium /product just as cd's or a book etc. you also sell digital artwork. you know what i mean?
- rabattski0
just pointing out to aliend that there's no difference with selling cd's. you can copy them although it's not allowed. selling an mp3 means you physically have to transfer it and delete it from your system. not doing so is in this case also not legal.
- aliendn0
i dont know...but i think one thing that i feel that's stupid about getting digital music is its not like something u hold, like when you have an album and open liner notes.
i think a forward concept would be to have a new format of music like say an mp3 that comes with a header or a lyric sheet and art work that would open in something like winamp that displayed stuff graphically as well as played music. hey thats a good idea, i should patent it. nah, i dont care, rip the idea i got plenty more ;-)
- JazX0
Simply put, you cannot take something that is original and copy it and then sell it if you are not the original owner. Second-hand mp3's is a no-no. You'll get sued pretty fast in any country that has some sort of sane legal system. Try China, they don't respect international copyrights.
- rabattski0
actually that already excists. with cover artwork etc.
well yeah, it's not really tangible. but you can buy it as a product. i can also buy digital art which is not tangible. i can sell that as well. so why not mp3s? i really wonder if it really is legal but somehow it should be coz it doesn't make sense if it wouldn't be.
- JazX0
aliendn, it's still the property of the owner. Any original format cannot be twisted, tweaked and such and then re-sold in any other format without the permission of the creator. Hence, the legal system.
- JazX0
what digital artwork are you referring to? you shouldn't be allowed to take something and resell it without the creator's permission?
- rabattski0
ok. but why is it a no-no? if i bought an mp3 thru itunes i own that one mp3 just as i would buy a cd in a recordstore. i can sell that cd but i can't sell that one mp3? doesn't compute.
- aliendn0
another idea i have for the future of audio is free/royalty music stations at stores/malls/or even concerts, where u have a device that was possible of downloading the last 3/4 songs u heard in high quality format. that would be cool, because sometimes u go places to hear a great song, but never to hear it again..this would be great for places that play electronic/dj mixes. also the device could download stuff like URLS or whatever to find out more about the artist
- JamesEngage0
did someone say fray bentos?
- JazX0
tangibility does have something to be said about it. I'll give you that one. I can see your point, but it doesn't fly with .mp3's.
- shotoshi0
It can be as legal as reselling your record collection on eBay.
And, in my original post I didn't mention anything about 'selling'. What about trading?Believe me, this can be legal and there is a way. It's a grey area and one that no-one has thought about
The record industry want us to buy downloads from them legally. So, what do we do with our unwanted music? The music we paid for? Are we supposed to delete our 'used' tracks?
Do we throw our old record collection in the bin (garbage) when we no longer want it?
Of course we don't!
- JazX0
no offense, trust me, you'll have law suits up your *ss.
- rabattski0
yes you can sell digital artwork to another which would incl. your right of having it, like any other form or medium of art, you just cannot keep reselling it over and over again since you already sold your right on that one piece with that piece.