DEAN vs. CLARK
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- era404
I'm torn. Anyone else?
Until recently, Dean was my first choice...and then, w/ the Iowa debate and NH, I am liking him less and less. He seems secretive, and poorly-informed. His public-speaking skills are slipping and Clark, whom I recently saw on CSPAN after the Iowa debate, is getting to be a stronger speaker. Clark's employment and tax plans are heroic to say the least.
I went to a meetup for Dean last week and people seemed TOTALLY into him. What am I missing? I know that the issues are what matter the most...but you have to "like" the guy, too, right? And you can't base your preference on a few recent speeches, either.
Also, i noticed that Dean says "IDEAR" instead of "IDEA" and that bugs the crap out of me.
Sorry, Crap, no harm meant. :)
- kpl0
dean has said some stupid things. and I'm starting to suspect he's not that much smarter than bush. And he doesn't give that weaselly "Bush misled me in iraq!" crap the senators and the genreal in the race have.
but dean can motivate younger, more liberal people to go to the polls whereas clark can't. whether that makes up for the centrists votes the dems will lose to bush, I don't know.
- unknown0
Edwards is the solution for all of us baby. Young, intelligent and willing to make a difference.
- lyrek0
i love edwards' presence, but the guy doesn't have that much experience.
why won't dean release his records? sounds awfully supportive of repealing the patriot act, but on a "do as i say don't do as i do" status.
- phist0
dean's grandmother went to school with george dubya's grandmother. he was confronted with this question on c-span. and he had this "oh fuck" look and answered with some humorous attempt to weasel out of it. republicans and democrats are essentially the same, especially when they come from wealthy new england families. money is backing dean, thats why he has a good chance of beating bush. the dean supporters remind me of most of the american public that supports dubya. clark is definitely more qualified to be pres and would be less evil. anyone that is endorsed by the clintons i have to think twice about. i'm between clark, kucinich and sharpton. i know, don't laugh - they have great vision and records to show for.
"It has often been pointed out by political scientists that the US is basically a one-party state -- the business party. with two factions, Democrats and Republicans. Most of the population seems to agree. A very high percentage, sometimes passing 80%, believe that the government serves "the few and the special interests," not "the people." "
- Noam Chomsky (http://www.zmag.org/content/sho...
- jevad0
pardon my ignorance for a minute - but as long as bush gets beat - I don't give a fuck who wins - because nobody can be stupider than that man. nobody.
- unknown0
HHAHHHAHA...you have no idea how right you are!
- unfittoprint0
Jevad, I have a friend that knows a guy's aunt wich heard from her husband that he was told by a friend of a friend that there was this dude in that bar that knew someone stupider...
oh, wait I just received updated info. It is Bush...
- k770
who??
- k770
i mean
who cares??
- BXCAR0
Change must come...
...from the (CENSORED).
- BXCAR0
sorry guys. bad joke i know.
thats all i had to say. i am very badly informed about the program of these two 'gentle'men here discussed so keep this thread going.i'll put on another James Brown record.
Wifebeater in da house!!!
Hell yeah!
- k770
"I recently saw on CSPAN"
oh man
- pinthin0
clark.
- atomica0
Lieberman, the only democrat with a concious. The rest have swayed their opinions so much for your viewing pleasure its not funny. I feel Lieberman has what it takes to lead our country in a progressive direction, unlike the last couple presidents we've had.
- pocho0
Clark...all the way. I learned as much as I could about Edwards, Dean is starting to worry me.
I think Clark is the only one that can beat Dubya...at least the only one that can stand up to the "bush in the flight suit" commercials we're sure to see.
I still have some concerns with Clark, but I think it will come down to making America feel secure.
- SP™0
Clark
- ryanmcdo0
Johnson
- brundlefly0
Clark.
He's the only one the GOP can't dig up crap against, without embarrassing themselves by looking like they are trying to humiliate a war hero, and former nato commander.
I think Clark is holding back in the race and we'll see a major push in the spring by his team, and he'll go on to become the candidate..
- jevad0
I need to do some reading up on both - can anyone hit me with some good independent links?
- brundlefly0
jev aka nic