BASQUE COUNTRY
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- OBBTKN0
UFFF...
Raulito, tengo 2 primos metidos en la madera y otro par en la ETA...
Te juro que sé de lo que hablo y sigo sintiendolo por tí...
Y me jode un huevo que llames criminal a la sociedad vasca (mas si cabe si tenemos en cuenta que sufrimos las chapuzas que los politicos de ahí, de Madrid, no han sabido llevar bien y que viven a nuestra costa).
Pero como sé que no hay forma de razonar con cierto tipo de gente, mira... lo dejo y que tengas una larga y prospera vida...
A unos no se les ha dado esa oportunidad...
AGUR
- unfittoprint0
Luv u all.
raoulito, I do understand your point. And I'm completely against any violence targeting innocent people, even if they represent or relate to, in the 'terrorist' views, to an occupying force of some kind.
What I would like to make clear is that I don't think that the world is make of Black&White. There's a wide range of greys, and sometimes is very difficult to draw the line where there's a genuine strugle for freedom or it's just another group with some elitist agenda...
- JazX0
hey raulito, take it easy brother, unfittoprint is my buddy and a good guy, if you take a look at his posts it suggests nothing racist whatsoever. ;)
- raulito0
A OBBTKN:
no lo sientas por mi. Yo por lo menos puedo vivir en mi ciudad de nacimiento.
- raulito0
To unfittoprint:
do yourself a favour and dont compare the creation of a country with such rich history as Portugal with what these Basque terrorist trolls are trying to make. Circumstances and times are different and besides you dont know very well whats going on. The basque provinces have been happy, contributing, integral parts of Spain for centuries, benefitting from the protection of central Spain against invasions and so on and, UNLIKE OTHER REGIONS, they never brought up the issue of separatism in all these centuries until a few decades ago, when they were already one of the most industrialized regions in Spain. (yes, some of what are today Basque leaders, instead of fighting for democracy in Franco's times like so many other Spaniards, were instead making huge deals with Franco to create some of the most important companies in Spain and Latin America today). They also found out that if you have a band of terrorists supporting you you can pretty much ask for anything you want.
- JazX0
Long Live Portugal and all of her former or current colonies, especially Republica da Angola, Republica da Mocambique and Republica da Guine-Bissau, as long as they can stop civil waring, hee, hee. Gotta' love the mulatto girls! ;)
- nick0
'terrorist' and 'patriot' are the same word.. just depends who's sayin it
- nick0
ben, you'd be surprised
- unfittoprint0
Portugal only exists because we separated from Castela (the kingdom that aggregated all the other in the Peninsula and formed Spain). We once were considered separatists and if it happened in the current time we could be considered 'terrorists'.
If one doesn't know the history and the people shouldn't make such fast judgements...
- OBBTKN0
Very thanks to anybody who brings his opinion...
I only wanna know how many our culture knowledge is around of the world...
*I pray all the nights for my daughter can life in peace.
Mila esker.
Raulito: Solo se juzga y encarcela a unos... y aquí hay mucha gente que ha hecho dinero a costa del "asuntillo" y no solo son los de ETA... He perdido a muchos amigos y los responsables están en la calle e incluso se colocan la medallita de victimas...
Yo tan solo quería saber que es lo que se conoce del pais vasco
Pero veo que el rencor es más fuerte que la razón...
Lo siento por tí.
- benfal990
you seems to be a very intelligent person nick
- nick0
i grew up in Quebec, and i firmly believe that qc will FUCK THEMSELVES if they seperate. sure, they're different.. but yo.. WHY CANT WE ALL GET ALONG?!
kill the seperatists.. and kill the english cocksuckers that are trying to fuck up french-canada
same goes for your basque/spain probs.. kill em all!
- blend20
I went to Bilbao and San Sebastian once. I was scared shitless that the people writing ETA graffiti on the walls would come and kidnap me or blast bombs or other crazy shit. Nevertheless I enjoyed my stay. Beautiful place, nice waves and plenty of sunshine. Don't really know whether it would really be useful for the people to separate from Spain though. Economics of Scale tend to help the big ones in EU. Anyways if I'm heading to Spain I will rather visit Catalonia and Basque country than Madrid :)
- Dr_Jay0
I stayed in the Basque Country for about a month a few years ago... I found it beautiful, and for the most part, the people I met were great. They were very proud of their history and talked about it in almost a mythical way. On the other hand, I also noted a disturbing undercurrent of fascism there (no joke, mostly with the younger people i met).
With that being said, there are plenty of things that disturb me about many people I meet in the US...
I would go back... I can't make any generalizations about a group of people having had such limited experience...
- benfal990
Iam from the province of Quebec in Canada and yes iam a separatist. I want the Quebec to become a contry. We're too diffrent from the rest of Canada.
- raulito0
Basically there is no freedom in the basque country to express your political opinion. If you decide you dont want to express your political opinion (ever) you can certainly live comfortably in the Basque country. If you go a step beyond and decide you want to support the Basque Nationalist party and vote for them or become involved you can live very well and make tons of money because in this little microwolrd of social experimentation, everything falls into place then. A couple of years ago the basque region was one of the richest regions. Now the rest of Spain is growing at a larger pace. Why? why dont people go and live in the Basque country and make tons of money? Well because they want to express their opinions maybe? Yes.
If it wasnt for the fact that the Basque Nationalist Party is supported in theories and goals by the ultra sadistic terrorist band ETA this situation would be nothing more than a bad joke. But every couple of months they kill somebody. The have killed police officers, journalists, military, young politicians and even children(unintentionally). They have killed more that 800 people. Who will be next?
Ill tell you who will be next. It will be someone who is on a "ETA list" this lists are made with the names of every single politician who is NOT a member of the Basque Nationalist Party, journalists who dont support the theories of the Basque nationalist party, plus all the members of the 4 or 5 different police forces that exist in Spain, plus the military of course. Yes thats right, every single member of the basque parliamet who is not a member of the Basque Nationalist party has to walk around with bodyguards, even the most unimportant or illiterate politician, article writers, jornalists and so on, I tell you this is fucking nuts..The basque parliament is this crazy bodyguard madness that is absolutely unheard of in any other civilized part of the world.
I live in Madrid but I have met many good friends who once lived there, in the basque region. But of course for "circumstances of life" they were forced to leave. One of my best friends here, whose dad is a cop, has nightmares for stories and im not even going to get into that now. I tell you youd go nuts.
my opinion is that it is a sick society, cruel with the victims and with a lot of fear of the terrorists. An average basque is bound to be either a cruel bastard or a fucking coward.
- pocho0
when I went to Espana in 1992 I got to love the Basque people...they warned me that when I went south not to mention how much I liked the north.
I took my wife and kids to northern Espana last year for a month...and they fell in love with it too.
- unfittoprint0
While studying in Brussels I made friendship with a lot of architects from the Basque Country, especially form San Sebastian. Incredible country, people and food.
To others: denying the basque people autonomy and the right to decide their future is being completely ignorant about Spain's history. From Catalunha, to Galiza you'll see the pride they take in their region's culture and heritage and how, in most cases, they feel distant from Madrid's internal policies.
- JazX0
LOL! When pigs fly they will secede from the rest of Canada.
- JazX0
No kidding it's not a country, he didn't mean that, why do you think people were talking about seperatists?