painting is f***** dead
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- bca
im a graphic designer that also paint but it seems to me that its hard for designers to understand that i want to do both... either you do graphics OR paint...
alright, anyway here is my new site
http://www.acrodecade.com
why am i here? for critique, and i want links to portals that are more towards painting... have you thought about when you want to submit a link to a portal, they have 1000 categories except painting...
thank you for listening...
- gravityroom0
Bjorn -
Nice stuff man!!! Really cool. I dont' see why you can't do design and illustration - you should... its really hard to make a career out of just doing illustration.
Check out http://www.illustratorspartnersh… - might be what your looking for...
- abizzyman0
i use design for work... and I paint for the sheer pleasure of it. Separate the two.
I find that alot of designer have next to zero illustration/painting skills... I didn't say ALL... I said alot.... so don't get butt-hurt! But... the best designers I've ever seen can draw like the wind!
Draw and paint for you. Don't turn it into work... keep it sacred. That's what I'm doing right now. ;)
- abizzyman0
bjorn....
... you're stuff is brilliant.
brilliant... I'm so damned inspired to go draw or paint... I'm not sure what... but I'm inspired. wow. thank you.
- bca0
thanks!
gravityroom, i think i have to keep it separated because i dont consider myself an illustrator, illustration is more like graphic design...you have a client and then you do what they want...i already do that as a gd...
thanks for the link and comment so far
- bca0
thanks K...
youre right...i need to keep it sacred... no business men telling me what to do...
- gravityroom0
If you consider yourself a fine-artist then yes - keep them separate.
You're stuff is good. I hate the fact that we live in an age where fine-art is just not viable as a profession.
Your design skills are very good - that should support your fine-art habbit!!!
- unknown0
I do both as well, my painting is actually much better than my graphic design skills
- miracola0
bca,
Your stuff is great. The only thing stopping an artist from being a success, however they define that, is themself.
Don't think you can't make it commercially as a "fine artist" though. Just pick up a Society of Illustrators book and you'll see that people like Anita Kunz, Brad Holland, Marshall Arisman, Skip Liepke, Gregory Manchess, John Jude Pelancar, etc have made quite a living from doing work that is more cerebral or artsy than the art on the back of a Cocoa Puffs box.
There are many kinds of illustrators. Illustration is where the money is as an artist. If you want to exhibit in galleries around the world, hoping that someone will pay $10,000 for a painting, then you'll be waiting a long time. Why not paint a cover for a book or a full page spread for a mgazine and get paid $3,000 to $5,000 and be able to retain the original painting for yourself. Then you can make prints of your work and sell them. But the fact is, you'll never sell much or make much monay if your art doesn'y have some mass appeal.
You can certainly combine your painting and design skills. As painters, we are designers. Sometimes more so than someone who uses photoshop to fade to images together and apply a filter.
Just choose which way you want to take your art. Do you want to paint for yourself, exhibit in galleries. Hopefully find a few patrons that are willing to buy your work. Or do you get more business-minded, approach big publishing houses and do work-for-hire. Each has there advantages and disadvantages. Your work has the ability to go in either direction.
Kent Williams (Comic book artist) tends to do both. He exhibits in galleries and manages to get work published. Check him out if you get the chance.
Sorry for the lengthy letter. I enjoy yor work.
Jeff
- miracola0
JasonX,
You paint as well? Where can I see some of your work?
- cphunk0
bjorn,
posted you on threeoh. your oils are wicked dude. keep jamm'n with that. i wish i had a traditional art background like you :). very inspiring.
- bca0
jeff : thanks for your answear, it was not long, it was good, i will check out what you said...your work is sweet!
chris...thanks...wicked is good :)
- pr20
Looking at the stuff produced by my fellow students i can definetly say that painting is not dead, but is actually raising in its "power" (i understand that u said that more to get our atention rather then to make a statement). That said...
The sad truth is that no, one cannot be a designer and a painter. Nor Illustrator and a painter. All of those are completely different proffesions. Designers deal mostly with what's cool -- meaning thety look around and try to predict what would be "better" looking at the current situtaion. That way of thinking is soooo far away from what painters do. The greates thing about painting is that is so hones. Evne though it's lieing all over the place pretending that it's something it's not, it is still very personal internal conversation of the painter -- something no designer or illustartor is capable in everyday life (dealig with clients, etc).
Dude, u have good skills, but still you clinge too much to illustration (i'm assuming u don't want to do illustartion). We know you know how to paint, not you shoul also show me that you have ideas. (I sound to pompus, i know).
- pr20
...I can't spell.
- bca0
i already like you patryk...
so what is illustration to you? when its well rendered? you havent asked me what i thought or what inspired me to do those paintings...i can assure you that there were no clients involved doing those paintings, they came straight out of me...
you dont sound pompus, your oppinion is very good...
but you are wrong about graphic design, to me graphic design can be finart as much as painting...
- kodap0
nice works bca.
you just showed why painting is not dead.
- DUB230
well, after seeing the Gerhardt Richter show at the MOMA SF, I can assure you, my good fellow, that painting is very much alive and well. cheers
- kodap0
i forgot to say that i do both as well. painting satisfies me a lot more than a graphic piece as I can be after i finish any piece, staring at it more time contemplating than graphic design either commercial or personal...
- surfito0
once society changes, painting will be what it was before.
give it another generation, hopefully the internet is educating young people, the cultural standards will be higher once all the kids grow up.
- kodap0
i hope so.
- toulouz0
nah i dont think paintng is dead, far from it.
im a mature student, 2nd year into BA degree. with all the facilities of 3D. sculpture, printmaking, photography .........conceptual art, whatever ?
But the majority of students are painting, many very traditionally.
People keep returning to that rectangle you can hang on your walls !!!!
Bjork, your web site and art is most impressive.
Good luck