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- HijoDMaite-11
Lovers of this thread, congratulations. You're millennial Bernie Bro did it.
At least she isn't hiding her true ideology. She is 28 and a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.
So basically my University TA, in love with Karl Marx, that has never held a real job just won a seat in congress. Socialists make me fucking sick!
- nice poster design tho.HijoDMaite
- ya, posters are nice. socialist have always had better design sense.Gnash
- (aside from one obvious exception, of course)Gnash
- Seems like a lot of people in the U.S. are adopting this label of being socialist but then when you ask what they believe it's just a slightly more left-wingyuekit
- version of the Democrats (who they disparagingly refer to as "liberals").yuekit
- This woman would bankrupt the country. I wonder how many Dem votes she would actually get if she ran for a major political office.HijoDMaite
- she'd do well in venezuelaBustySaintClaire
- +1 yuekit, it's like when people on here describe US MSM as left-wing. Fucking lol. it really isn't.fadein11
- Aside from calling herself that, what does she advocate for that's so extreme though?yuekit
- nothing extreme at all, but it looks that way when things have swung so far to the right. similar in UK.fadein11
- looks that way to some I should say.fadein11
- Seeing as how there's a 3x remarried, 6x filed for bankruptcy, real estate con man and tv celeb in office whom has never held a real 'job' as potuskona
- we can obviously do far, far worse than her. taking a page from trumptards... 'give her a chance'kona
- :)fadein11
- "an economy run by the workers or the state." what could go wrong?Gnash
- Your country thought Obama was a Marxist.i_monk
- Her commercial was, hands down, the best political ad I've ever seen... seriously. she trounced a Democrat.robotron3k
- woodMaaku
- Why do you have such an emotional response to socialists? Have you ever lived is a country governed by a left-wing democratic party?dmay
- This is good news, the left is finally fighting back.zarkonite
- ^ true that. better that a republican winningGnash
- ^ yep, with a core focus on people actually having power and stake over their economic and social wellnesswhatthefunk
- @dmay I assume what you are baiting me to debate why the Nordic model can’t work in the US correct?HijoDMaite
- No, I want to understand why does it makes you sickdmay
- I live in a country with a left-wing minority government, supported by a communist party and a hard left partydmay
- You aren’t actually talking about the long lists of countries that have tried Socialism and failed right?HijoDMaite
- And it's not a ditactorship...dmay
- No, it's Portugal, a country in Europe, much poorer than the US, but with a much better healthcare systemdmay
- And we had a Dictator, supported by the US, and it was anti-communismdmay
- And after that we had right-wing, left-wing, coalition governments.dmay
- "Socialists make me fucking sick!"
lol this place is full of petty, reactionary, cunts.face_melter - Bad ass.sea_sea
- Well I’m at work so won’t write a book. But for starters I believe in individual rights not rights of the community.HijoDMaite
- Well I’m at work so won’t write a book. But for starters I believe in individual rights not rights of the community.HijoDMaite
- I believe in freedom of expression towards anything including the govt. freedom of commerce, open markets,HijoDMaite
- Basically if you remove racism and greed, I don’t see how anyone doesn’t welcome Capitalism.HijoDMaite
- I think critics of Capitalism will try to convince you that racism and greed are basic human traits and we need more government to deter that. I disagree.HijoDMaite
- If you study basic comparative politics you will learn that more government = more corruption.HijoDMaite
- (racism and greed also exist in socialism)Gnash
- Charity is what I believe in, not forced redistribution of capital.HijoDMaite
- those big corps and CEO's all so charitable aren't they?fadein11
- Yes fadein the US still #1 in individual charity and philanthropy around the world last time I checked.HijoDMaite
- yet still cannot provide a decent healthcare system for it's citizens and poverty at an all time high. Some provisions shouldn't be about charitable donationsfadein11
- "around the world" I get your concerns though, but a base level of care for a nations citizens (especially the richest nation on Earth) should surely be a givenfadein11
- The current system isn't working so perhaps try something new? But worry not your image of socialism would never happen in the US.fadein11
- I’ve always thought there is a healthy debate for universal healthcare. I never understood the right’s adamant opposition to it. I assume it’s a fear of..HijoDMaite
- Becoming “more socialist”. I know that the level of healthcare, while it is the best in this nation it isn’t available to all.HijoDMaite
- "poverty at an all time high" - clearly jibberish before my QBN nemesisseses get on my case. But at ridiculously high rates. Trying to find a good piece i readfadein11
- the other day.fadein11
- I don’t know what the AMA and individual doctor’s views are on this topic. But I can bet what the Insurance companies view is.HijoDMaite
- While poverty may be an issue in this country, the safety net is the best model in existence. Other countries poverty vs. American poverty.HijoDMaite
- I prefer the mix of 2 systems. With out socialist, There wouldn't be a safety net, 40 hours limit, 5 days work week.pango
- While the capitalism promotes progress, socialist protects people. Why not both? It doesn't have to be one or the other.pango
- the mix of 2 systems can work v.well for sure, and does now.fadein11
- elsewhere*fadein11
- I don't think anyone would argue with fairer distribution of wealth and the reversal of neo-liberal Reagonomics. That is the root cause of why people like Trumpfadein11
- get elected. The relentless destruction of the Middle Class etc.fadein11
- Name a country where socialism failed that wasn't overthrown by or embargoed by the US.i_monk
- And let's see some data supporting your claims about the American safety net vs that of Canada or Scandinavia or elsewhere.i_monk
- Ok I’ll get back to youHijoDMaite
- "Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production"Gnash
- Incorporating social services does not make a country socialist.Gnash
- there's good and bad ideas in all the "isms". small minds seems to think you have to pick only one and fight to the death.inteliboy
- Didn't a version of Socialism already happen under Roosevelt? One that actually improved peoples living standards.PhanLo
- the problem in debating the merits of one ism over another is in agreeing with what that ism is in the first place.Gnash
- every argument is countered with either, 'that wasn't "true" xxxism, or some outside forces wouldn't let it happen.Gnash
- any 'ism' that survives needs to do it in the real world, else it's just a good story to read.Gnash
- The No True Scotsman Fallacyi_monk
- How about the “what-about-ism” arguments?HijoDMaite
- Perhaps it'd be easier to start with naming a socialist country that has thrived.Gnash
- China? That country has its (many) issues but definitely an economic power house. Thrived in what way?pango
- Also it's not entirely a socialist country. Sticking to any particular ism without any practical reason, can get toxic. Like nationalism.pango
- "what about ism" is mainly to distract and de-rail. Just gotta ask your self or the person who brought up the example. Is that example relevant?pango
- Boodocpoz
- She hot tho.pango
- yass, she is.Gnash
- Better looking than Hugo Chavez.hotroddy
- Better looking than trump as wellpango