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- They're blaming Trump?! They've got a set of balls to say that 'doing nothing' is now Trump's fault... The fucking policy has been on it's way to the shitter...PonyBoy
- ... and this has been known long before Trump ever arrived on the scene. CNN... what a fucking farce of a new outlet.PonyBoy
- Trump never once stated he wanted to 'hurt' the markets. The dude's been trying to FIX them since stepping in office w/the simplest method: repeal and replace.PonyBoy
- Trump WARNED the damned policy was approaching failure... never did he say or act as if he wanted to 'hurt' any fucking market... CNN... lie me a river. wow.PonyBoy
- Pubs and the like have been warning that this shitty policy is a turd waiting to be flushed... now the CBO agrees and CNN blames Trump? huh?PonyBoy
- I could give two shits about the orange turd-in-chief like the next guy—but ffs CNN is point-blank lying right in the headline— how does one trust these fucks?PonyBoy
- I think what they are saying is...if you are going to repeal then repeal. But by not repealing and withholding the subsidies for consumers like Trump did, youyuekit
- just end up jacking up the cost of insurance even more.yuekit
- That's what the Budget Office in Congress determined, CNN is just reporting it.yuekit
- that's not reporting to use the phrase 'wanted to hurt' as your headline when that is not remotely close to reality. Trump can't do this shit w/out the...PonyBoy
- ... Leg. branch. And... again—he's done nothing but push to fix the failing policy... the healthcare bills taking a shit is not his fault.PonyBoy
- Well the Republicans including Trump promised something they had no plan for. During the campaign Trump said he had some kind of new plan that would coveryuekit
- everyone and be cheaper than Ocare...which didn't actually exist. Not sure why you are giving him a pass here.yuekit
- Trump has repeatedly said in public he wanted to kill obamacare, why would you pretend that CNN is making that up?zarkonite
- He had NOTHING to do with this, zark... that's my point. All he said was it WILL fail and 'now let's watch' cuz congress wouldn't act. The blame is not...PonyBoy
- ... on him. The headline says Trump wanted to 'hurt'... that is not true at all. All he's wanted to do was fix the fucking mess and he tried more than once.PonyBoy
- To put the blame on him—'he's succeeded' is pure bullshit. This is due to congressional inaction—Trump tried over and over. Bullshit lie CNN (repeating myself)PonyBoy
- Obamacare is not Trump's legacy or mess... Dems need to take some fucking responsibility for the piece of shit healthcare bill they stuck us with.PonyBoy
- Um, the ACA is riddled with holes and compromise BECAUSE of Republicans.garbage
- ^ His utter incompetence and the GOP's prioritization of fucking anything with "O" on it vs. lifting a finger for America is why it's failing, period.formed
- Fix it or shut the fuck up and let people that care about this country fix it. The destruction the GOP/T is promoting is disgusting.formed
- Fix it or shut the fuck up and let people that care about this country fix it. The destruction the GOP/T is promoting is disgusting.formed
- The finger wavers that chant "see, see, it's destined to fail" are only one step behind and are actively causing rates to continue to increaseformed
- while pouting in the corner of the sandbox with Tman.formed
- formed... there is no finger-waving... grow the fuck up. These are folks warning LONG AGO this shitty policy is going to die... and now here we are.PonyBoy
- The first 6 months of his administration (if you weren't blinded by the Russian BS) was his attempt to 'repeal and replace... TWICE. WTF else do you want?PonyBoy
- The guy not only did his job here but battled to get both sides in the fucking room and talking TWICE. Many times he said it was heading or failure...PonyBoy
- ... if Congress didn't act. Many times DEMOCRATS have said the same fucking thing. Back to the point: The CNN headline is a complete lie.PonyBoy
- *heading FOR failure (not 'or')PonyBoy
- What makes you think the GOP alternative is going to be better? All the stuff I've seen them propose is pretty much the same as Obamacare, just with lessyuekit
- spending on subsidies and fewer consumer protections.yuekit
- I never said the GOP deal was better, yuekit... the HEADLINE (again...lol) is my point. 'hurt' is the wrong word... Trump didn't want to hurt a fucking thing...PonyBoy
- ... he tried TWICE (fuck that's the third time I've made this point now) to fix the shitty policy. You may not like his 'fix'... but he did not want to hurt...PonyBoy
- ... the fucking markets! He wants to overhaul / fix the fucked-up system... that is not HURTING!!PonyBoy
- The CNN headline puts 100% of the blame on Trump and even goes so far as to indicate he wants to 'hurt' and not fix.PonyBoy
- the headline should read:
"Trump warned Obamacare markets were in danger. He was correct CBO says"PonyBoy - Both things can be true at once -- insurance rates under Obamacare were already high. Trump's policies are projected to make it even more expensive startingyuekit
- next year. That's what the story is saying.yuekit
- I see what you're saying about the title, maybe they are inferring his motives too much. But then again he did say "we'll let it implode" so...?yuekit
- The part you might be missing is that Trump, while he can't repeal the law on his own, has control over how Obamacare is implemented.yuekit
- And he is refusing to fund several aspects of the program, resulting in even higher rates for next year. Fun times.yuekit
- haha you cant fix obamacare. nor can you repeal such a failed policy when installed. you see there is no real incentive on either side to dismantle itdeathboy
- it would require congress to give up power and perceived power that they can do shit to help. all the while edu has preached gov is god and ppl dont want theredeathboy
- god to abandon them and make them have to live for themselves and decide and plan. stick a fork in healthcare. pass a shitty single care medicare plan capped atdeathboy
- 20% GDP. and we will have to get secondary insurance like every other retarded country, and they wont be able to profit from our R&D. no reason for R&D afterdeathboy
- be piss poor healthcare and a higher cost, but a cap and secondary plans (hoping they let them be free) can maybe change provide a better systemdeathboy
- the poor will be fucked worse than before having to deal with basically VA hospitals but fuck them. they voted for it. always lookign for a easy outdeathboy
- the upside to expensive and stagnate care is we might actually look at how we value life amongst the elderly. I 100% believe most elderly should be put downdeathboy
- my grandma finally passed last week. she has been living on prescription cocktails and machines. she doesnt no who i am, brain has completely wandereddeathboy
- Which medical care after the stroke at like 90+ it drained her savings and lawyer had to split assets for my gramps (suffering from dementia)deathboy
- but after it wiped out about 50% of what normally be handed down to family it also costs tax payers about 8K a month for a year and a half for bed ridden gramsdeathboy
- now the other 50% is being eaten by the healthcare system for gramps in a home before medicare kicks in to do the same for himdeathboy
- both of them died to me a couple years ago. what they are living and lived isnt living. we need to start dying with dignitydeathboy
- and if we strap into a socialized system I will say that will be an upside of it. be nice to go back and get this benefit but some things just cant be donedeathboy
- of course than hospices cant drain the livelihoods of old people. theyll lobby against such measuresdeathboy
- funny you find the next step death ppl arrive after medicare kicks in.deathboy
- ^ username checks outyuekit
- it is a prevailing problem which will get worse as medicine allows for longer non-living with no spending caps or price controlsdeathboy
- anyone asking seriously for a single payer needs to address that. even obamacare tried with their "death panels." hard to take anyone seriously that doesn'tdeathboy
- this is why sanders and everyone else that tries to put a plan through is a joke. just voter chum for their own greed.deathboy
- it should also be a large issue for people worried about growing wealth gaps. really hurts the middleclassdeathboy
