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    • people are 'literally fighting for their lives' in Somalia, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq Darfur, Sudan, Palestine, Israel, Indonesia,...Gnash
    • In the USA people are fighting for equality of outcome.Gnash
    • You need at least some equality of outcome, otherwise society is going to go off the rails. I don't see why this is inherently a bad thing.yuekit
    • Equality of opportunity is what society needs. Everyone's outcome will vary depending on who they are and how they participate.Gnash
    • Doesn't opportunity vary though between a rich person and a poor person? How do you control for equality of opportunity between someone born in a slum vs.yuekit
    • someone who inherits millions? The idea that you can ever have anything approaching equality of opportunity is a fantasy.yuekit
    • equal access to education, services (health, daycare etc), and employment isn't a fantasy.Gnash
    • currently, there are barriers to all those things for many people. Those are the barriers that need to be brought down, not some rusty statueGnash
    • It's good to have access to those things but keep in mind the U.S. already does spend a lot of money on education and health care for the poor and lower middleyuekit
    • class. The programs that exist are mostly catering to poor people on the basis of income rather than race, gender etc.yuekit
    • But it would be ridiculous to think that just because an inner city kid gets access to public education and is covered by Medicaid or some other welfareyuekit
    • program, therefore he is "equal in opportunity" with Ivanka or Barron Trump. Most wealth is inherited and most rich people were born into rich families.yuekit
    • are you suggesting taking all private wealth and distributing it equally to the populace is the only way to ensure equality?Gnash
    • if we both go to the same design school, should we each be guaranteed the same job, even if you're more talented than I, or a harder worker?Gnash
    • it's not the responsibility of the gov't to make sure we both have the same stuff. only that we both have equal opportunity to get that stuff.Gnash
    • some people start with a leg up. sucks, but a lot of those people fail anyway. it's no guarantee for success.Gnash
    • Yeah I'm not saying there's an easy solution, or even that there is a solution. I just think this idea of equality of opportunity is a bit of a false concept.yuekit
    • And since the playing field is never really going to be level, therefore you have to pay at least some attention to the outcome.yuekit
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