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- acceptance stage?monospaced
- Of what? That Trump is not a nazi monster?IRNlun6
- I had no allusions of Obama being a deep state master mind.IRNlun6
- of him being a complete tool on a magnitude never seen beforemonospaced
- I don't put much faith in billion dollar, transnational media empires. Especially when it comes to their opinions of their ideological opponents.IRNlun6
- agreed: putting faith in Trump is so idiotic, it's borderline retarded, especially in his opinions on who he thinks are his opponentsmonospaced
- Funniest/scariest thing of all this is neo-cons and the left pushing the idea that the CIA/NSA/deep state has the USAs best interest in mind.IRNlun6
- scariest thing is a "president" who is claiming the nation's own intelligence agencies can't be trusted, and that he has our best interests in mindmonospaced
- Why would you trust Trump though? A guy who lies repeatedly to his supporters (like you) and clearly doesn't know what he's doing.yuekit
- He's right. They can't, and never should be trusted. You think they had the US's best interest in mind when they lied to invade Iraq and every country since?IRNlun6
- if he doesn't get it by now, well...moldero
- If that description of Trump is accurate, it shouldn't be surprising that people in the government leak some of what is going on behind the scenes.yuekit
- It doesn't mean "deep state", just that they are concerned about an incompetent maniac running the world's most powerful military.yuekit
- Yeah, mono—US intelligence nailed it with those 'weapons of mass destruction' reports in Iraq after 9-/11... they most def. should be trusted //PonyBoy
- I don't "trust" Trump, but I do trust that he is not the monster people are making him out to be. He's not out to destroy this country.IRNlun6
- @ponyboy, agreed they fucked up ... but the alternative of trump just guessing is not viablemonospaced
- Doesn't mean he's not dangerous. Put a 70 year old man with delusional ideas about the world in charge and people leaking is the least surprising thing ever.yuekit
- This has likely happened to every president since probably Kennedy. Every president since has likely gotten the talk of comply or be destroyed.IRNlun6
- This is the first one who said he "knows more than the generals" and would be the "best at the military," before he even received a single briefingmonospaced
- This is the first one who has no idea what the nuclear triad is, and seems confused about how uranium works.monospaced
- This was probably clearest under Obama since he still seems like a decent guy.IRNlun6
- You don't go from community organizer/Senator to overthrowing governments and approving billion dollar weapons deals with governments that funded 9/11.IRNlun6
- lol ponyboy - you think the intelligence community were responsible for the war in Iraq - nope they were controlled that other nutjob's regime. And guess whatfadein11
- happened when experts spoke out against that - they were found dead on hills in England of apparent suicide. Neocons were going to war with Iraq at all costsfadein11
- exactly, that's why believing Trump would be any different, which he claims regularly, is stupid, considering it's obvious to smart people that he isn't smartmonospaced
- by that* The different situ we have now is a rogue nutjob president with no support from said intelligence agencies - terrifying. If he doesn't fall throughfadein11
- scandal/impeachment he will be very dead soon.fadein11
- @IRNlun6 http://www.independe…yuekit
- ^ Sorry http://ind.pn/2lk1FD…yuekit
- Do you think Bush Jr/Cheney where the masterminds of the Iraq war? CIA has been destroying countries globally for decades.IRNlun6
- Trump has a lot of people in his administration who are very anti-Iran, but on that basis they will support Saudi Arabia.yuekit
- What appears different, besides your beliefs that he's incompetent, is that those pushing for war with Russia are meeting resistance from the siting president.IRNlun6
- nobody's pushing for war with Russiamonospaced
- No one wants war with Russia. They are concerned about Trump's weird connections to Russia.yuekit
- yuekit, I am curious to see how that plays out. It's been barely a month. Not enough time to show that he's another Bush Jr/Obama regarding foreign policy.IRNlun6
- fade... no... didn't say they were responsible... but they did back Bush's claim... so no... you can't trust them... that was my only point.... relax.PonyBoy
- Trump is also participating in the Saudi war in Yemen (while banning refugees fleeing that conflict).yuekit
- https://theintercept…yuekit
- Neocons/Left establishment/MIC very much want war with Russia. The writing on the wall is clear as day.IRNlun6
- An actual war with Russia would completely disrupt the world economy. I don't think anyone really wants that.yuekit
- Yemen, also tragic. Will he get in line or will he be different? Odds are he tows the line since there's likely a threat to him and his family. Hopefully not.IRNlun6
- Thing is, Ms. Clinton was a guarantee to tow the line, since most of the actions with Ukraine, Libya, Yemen, and Syria happened when she was Secretary of State.IRNlun6
- @pony - I am relaxed and yep I get your point. Just think the so called sexed up dossier (as it was known over here) had v.little to do with the war in iraq -fadein11
- And her foundation received millions from some of these countries.IRNlun6
- nothing was stopping that PR exercise "mission accomplished" :)fadein11
- starting the war* god i need to type slower on herefadein11
- the idea that the left wants war with russia is exactly the kind of propaganda that Trump is trying to push, and that is the most dangerous fake news out theremonospaced
- Agreed, that is too big a generalization. Some people within the left, as well as some on the right want, war with Russia. War is profit, massive profit.IRNlun6
- I agree with that for the most part.monospaced
- perpetual war is big biz. that's why it's absurd that anyone thought Trump would stop war - he's a business man. "But Obama"fadein11
- He is meeting resistance from some in the intelligence community, not all, which is curious. Either genuine concern for the country, or just for themselves.IRNlun6
- In that business, most likely concern for themselves.IRNlun6
- That's why I don't think it makes sense to generalize...as in saying the same people who did Iraq War are attacking Trump. Not the same people.yuekit
- And consider this...if Trump DID have ties to Russian oligarchs (and there is evidence for this), how would the reaction be any different?yuekit
- The alternative media (right leaning) has a lot invested in Trump at this point, so they will inevitably see any action against him as an evil conspiracy...yuekit
- while at the same time ignoring any possible conspiracy involving Trump himself. It's quite naive to think that the only powerful interest in the world thatyuekit
- manipulates things is the U.S. government.yuekit
- Trump has done business in Russia, likely oligarchs. Problem is Putin hates oligarchs.IRNlun6
- The little I do know of Russian politics, Putin has always been at odds with the Oligarchs. Lends to his nationalist appeal.IRNlun6
- He was at odds with some of them, but the smarter ones came to an understanding with Putin. And eventually the interests of the ultra rich and the state becameyuekit
- merged together. Look at the Panama papers leak, suggesting Putin and his friends have billions stashed in offshore banking.yuekit