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- utter horse shitMorning_star
- < that's basically what MS isGnash
- lol, how so?set
- no, morning_star - now that there's an infographic stating possible facts, the onus is on you to diosprove them - not the other way around!detritus
- Here's just one link between a common vaccine and MS, the primary demyelinating disease.
http://www.webmd.com…set - http://www.webmd.com…set
- there's also a link to MS with people who live in rural areas and own dogsGnash
- MS is a Sclerosis of the myelin sheath, Multiple times. That's its definition.monospaced
- My closest friend lives with MS and it's not autism.monospaced
- a good friend of mine has MS, as well - have learned a lot about itGnash
- Dear god, mono you you marvellous man. No one suggested that MS is autism.set
- My half sister has MS, I know a little about it.set
- I was just basing this on the image posted, which describes MS almost perfectly. Gnash actually did "suggest" that too.monospaced
- It just seems like this graphic is saying that vaccines cause demyelination, or MS, which then causes autism. But there are no cases of MS > autism.monospaced
- Vaccines don't cause autism. If you disagree, it's because you're a fucking idiot.Nanocephalic
- Good argument. Did your drug dealer, I mean doctor, tell you that?set
- Nanocephalic - I always think its a good thing to question authority & question research.mugwart
- http://jamanetwork.c… Of course, these could be BigPharma shills, but then why would I trust moon crystal cunts either?detritus
- ^ you don't! You research yourself and try and find your own voice/argument. I was lucky I found a Doctor whom had proven herself as anti vaccination in court.mugwart
- Why on Earth would she need to prove her opinion in court? You can't deny or prove opinion either way?detritus
- I'm not sure I side with your belief of luck either — if we never relied upon external expertise we'd all be stuck in caves, trying to work out how to make firedetritus
- Long story - she was asked to talk in court as an adviser against (she was pro vaccination), then drugs companies stepped in and she won the case etc.mugwart
- "tragically i found a doctor who had proven herself as anti vaccination" Fixed it for you.Nanocephalic
- yawnmugwart
- You can start with this : https://sciencebased…Morning_star
- Ok, so if they're funding studies, I wonder if you think the huge corporations that profit immensely from vaccines are funding studies too... ?set
- funding bias studies*set
- Why are your scientists more trustworthy than ..er.. well, scientists? Seems like some weird and self-enforcing dissonance at play.detritus
- I didn't say that at all.set
- The fact is, if you do the independent research, and ignore big pharma and MD/GPs, after a while the conclusion is one of an obvious link, as mugwart found outset
- You're all welcome to listen to pharma corp funded studies, your doctors and the bbc and spout your pompous assertions. Doesn't really count for shit I'm afraidset
- That is not a fact, set. Sorry. I'm not going to bother any more here, but the onus is on you to actually prove a connection beyond false correlation.detritus
- Fact is none of us know for certain, but the link is there for anyone to plainly see.set
- Personally, I'm more worried about my aging stoner genes causing autism, if I'm lucky enough to have a kid. To that there is evidence of causation, sadly.detritus
- The problem is finding independent studies. I'm not anti science, not vaccinating the single greatest thing ever to happen to you kills one but ...mugwart
- In this day and age I find it naive to not have a doubt in massive cooperation's when they are making billions. Look at governments and corruption...mugwart
- Yet we're all alive in this day and age because of vaccines and the pharmaceutical industry.detritus
- I don't know why I bother with this sort of shit were set's concerned — he always quickly resorts to insult and obliviously-arrogant dismissal.detritus
- Out!detritus
- I don't want to come across as an "alternate fact nut" but I don't know if we are. We grew out of the industrial age and that was to benefit the rich.mugwart
- The only arrogant dismissal here has come from people absolutely certain that there's no link, which is idiotic. They're the only ones I insult.set
- The worst I could level is that we're creating poisons to offset the various poisons of modern living. Yet we live longer & healthier than for hundredsof years.detritus
- I don't for one second think that Pharma is beyond keeping an eye on, but as equally - there are THOUSANDS of scientists around the world who are just & honestdetritus
- there are too many smart people picking away at the myriad of problems, from all angles, representing a multitude of philosophies and agenda.detritus
- btw, if anyone's interested, this is the news story that led to me reading up on Autism this morning:detritus
- http://www.nature.co…detritus
- I agree with you Detritus.set
- What happens consistently here is that when I criticise people for thinking they know X without doubt, people assume I think I know Y without doubt.set
- You then typically go on to ridicule people's sources and general format of understanding, which doesn't do your stance any favours.detritus
- "get woke, BBC-reading sheep!" etcdetritus
- Having gone through the difficult decision to vaccinate my kiss approx 12 years ago at the height of the Autism scare in the UK, myself and the wife...Morning_star
- ...concluded that even with the potentia link to autism the danger of m,y kids not have the MMR vaccines was far greater personally and from a community...Morning_star
- ...level.Morning_star
- FFS kids not kiss.Morning_star
- Well when people have an opinion based on nothing but the status quo, and are sure it's fact because it's the status quo, they deserve ridicule. Fuck them.set
- As far as I can see, set, it tends to be you who polarises people into categories like that. Certainly, I can't see who you're referring to here —detritus
- Me? Morning_star? Mono? as far as I can see, all of us have some reading around the subject, not solely from your assumed 'status quo' sources.detritus
- It appears you have unlitaterally decided that opposing views are simply and absolutely incorrect. Why? Based upon your own superior knowledge?detritus
- Can you appreciate why that might be a somewhat frustrating approach to come up against?detritus
- I've never once said I have superior knowledge on the subject, or even that vaccines cause autism. I said there is definitely a link.set
- I've only attacked those who have made absolute statements. Did I attack you? No...set
- Human brain finds links and patterns even when they're not there. It's how it works.sr_rosa
- That fuzzy logic is a huge advantage to survive in the wild. Not so much for having a rational discussion or for a scientific approach based on facts.sr_rosa