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- scarabin0
sorry about your cancer #MAGA
- #Make America Grovel Againwhatthefunk
- How many sons and daughters are thinking the same thing right now about their parents? I know I am...kona
- sorry to hear that konalowimpakt
- Luckily even the experts agree Obamacare can be improved immensely. Let's hope Trump can improve the choice of care for all.robotron3k
- but that is the cost where no market exists, and as stands has 0 cost controls so expect costs to keep going up, subsidized by the healthy. is that right?deathboy
- How does this work across most of the rest of the civilised world and why doesn't it in the States?detritus
- Surely the point of a civilised society is for the healthy and able to subsidize and aid those who are not?detritus
- it doesnt work very well in the world. we could have single payer by just allowing everyone to take from medicare. boom done, but wold it be good?deathboy
- no it would not. cost controls would come by rationing and ins-hospitals workin together to only offer the most profitable services, not the ones neededdeathboy
- funny how everyone around an industry has willfully forgotten adam smith just for an illusion of security. its why proponents argue with sad stories not econdeathboy
- Funnier still how some people ignore the the many countries whose health policies do work and how they misconstrue Adam Smith's views on markets.detritus
- ..have you even read any of his work, or are you just regurgitating what other people have told you?detritus
- Besides which, you're pushing a market-driven agenda on what most evolved societies view as within the social domain, beyond mere profiteering.detritus
- THAT in and of itself is questionable to most people, but not for lower/middle class Republicans, shooting themselves in the foot. Why? Why do you do that?detritus
- I could understand if you were a multi-multi-millionn... but I assume you're not?detritus
- oh im quite familiar. so familiar i dont make the mistake of thinking it is in some sort of "social domain" or applying different moral valuesdeathboy
- You're familiar with Smith, yet confuse his intent and here conflate my opining with his works? Ok? Have you ever even experienced health care outside the US?detritus
- and you can simply say its a measure of civility but that's untrue. the thing is most healthcare is perfectly affordable and woudl be even more sodeathboy
- end of life stuff like cancer would be interesting because that stuff has never competed in a free market. it was built around medicare end of life programsdeathboy
- detritus maybe what i need you to explain is what is your idea of a health program that works? why you think it works and what not.deathboy
- no ive never needed care outside the states. but i know a few. in germany care sucks, carry private plan, canada uncle died waiting for dialysisdeathboy
- and what is smiths intent im confusing?deathboy
- im currently building a hospital ad to promote a inflatable heart exhibit. the whole non-profit status needs to be overhauleddeathboy
- you're implying that unbridled market forces would better serve as a mechanic to regulate pharma costs, rather than overt government intervention?detritus
- yup. and saying gov is incapable at providing cost control or quality control better than the market dictatesdeathboy
- i like to cite these guys as an example of freemarket approach http://surgerycenter…deathboy
- See, Adams never envisaged the current interpretation of absolutely unbridled markets; futhermore health plans, social-cum- private work well most places else.detritus
- You're America. You can replicate the best of the world and then demand more, yet you don't. Your incumbencies protect themselves and everyone suffers.detritus
- There are varying degrees of of 'free' markets. Exp. in other countries proves that it's possible to engage checks & benefit from capitalism at the same time.detritus
- But he did explain why central economic planning was bound to fail. Which history has proven to be true with current medical pricesdeathboy
- I think our medical is probably still the best. However the highest cost, which it doesnt need to be. and most other nations stagnatedeathboy
- there is different markets. what we have in the US is almost market absent, we are going to where euro countries were 30 years ago before adopting more marketdeathboy
- centric approaches after realizing their systems were unsustainable. politcians here use healthcare as control of peopledeathboy
- they dont care about anything else. and i cant help but think thats why it was creatd by euro countries in late 1800sdeathboy
- a huge thing here would be take away incentives for employers to offer healthcare. give ppl more powerdeathboy
- cap and ration medicare where the care goes to the most likely to benefit instead of 10K month payments on bed ridden geriatrics that are practically deaddeathboy
- there is a lot you can do without going total free market but have to know the correct direction is the free market one.deathboy
- we pay more in as percentage of GDP in medicare than most countries whole uni care. all we need to say is its available for everyone and see what happensdeathboy
- but it wouldn't please many people. because our markets are completely different, culturally and economically.deathboy
- have a doctor friend in Uk. She fully believes in single payer, yet realizes its faults first hand. to think of something else is blasphemous.deathboy
- and it fun talking about but i prefer a free market that is cheaper where ppl fall through cracks based on their ability to earndeathboy
- she prefer universal care with rationing and caps where people fall through cracks based on the system planning.deathboy
- but that is an example of a culture thing. think the us is still for freedom loving and DIY cultured. Its changing with current edu thoughdeathboy
- johnd deweys leg work is finally paying off for his central planned utopia but he errord in realizing he creates a place for trump types to lead toodeathboy