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stay with me as i'm going to try and make a point. (monospaced this might be a little too 'zeigtgeist' for you - you may just want to not read)
just in the United States alone, how much crime do you think goes on each day that actually doesn't get caught? this includes littering, fighting, excessive speeding, running a stop sign, driving drunk, selling drugs, doing drugs (every joint smoked in 45 states), prostitution, etc. I would suspect 99.999% of all crimes occur on a daily basis without penalty from the state. can anyone argue this?
With that said, how can we really assume that 99.9% of crime is actually crime? Was law enforcement called?, thus did it really harm anyone? If a tree fell in the forest and nobody was around, does it make a sound? Thus if 99.9% of crime goes on around us and the world just goes on as is, why is it okay to arrest the .1% for the exact same crime?
again, i don't see how the state prevents crime any more than it actually creates the avenue for certain individuals to create much bigger crimes.
- Preach!monospaced
- And yes. It's very zeitgeist in the sense that everyone saw that video years ago and got over it. ;)monospaced
- Whether something was a crime or not is determined in court. The system has been designed to avoid prosecuting innocent people, even though that means...nb
- ... allowing many guilty to go free.nb
- laws technically create crime. if we made breathing illegal, you all would be criminals. to say society needs 'law' is ignorant b/c it assumes all law is moralbliznutty
- Certain things are universally considered bad enough to be punishable. Goes way way back as a way to keep small society harmoniousmonospaced
- but rather argue law, i'd rather argue that the creation and therefore enforcement of law is the racketbliznutty
- Some seems perfectly reasonable. A whole lot doesn't. And it differs over time and cultures.monospaced
- Personally I'm happy it's a crime to drive drunk, rape a child, etc and glad there is a racket in place to enforce laws that punish those who break them.monospaced
- This 'order' you want to enforce via law, is exactly that - An Order. If you are rich or powerful, throughout history the laws never applied. (re: Brock Turner)bliznutty
- personally if someone raped my child i don't need a state to enforce justice. i'd just kill the motherfucker myself. it's nature, understand?bliznutty
- And you'd be fine with that? I don't think you've thought this through.nb
- sorry, monospaced. the stats aren't on your side for this racket - just a very expensive mess https://www.rainn.or…bliznutty
- The idea is that the law is attempting to prevent the person from getting raped in the first place. It's pretty simple. Get off the net & read some books.nb
- What is it with people today arguing that because there are problems with the system it is useless and bad and we should rid ourselves of it?nb
- so if rape was legal nb, would you do it?bliznutty
- crime requires a victim. corpus delicti. in cases of tickets in most cases, city or state claims to be a victim or damaged. Depending on which state.yurimon
- lets say ny, nyc. in which is civil/commercial in nature, though no victim exists the defendant doesnt challenge jurisdiction. in cases of traffic stopsyurimon
- you have a right to travel, yet the state asserts jurisdiction over commercial transportation. laws passedyurimon
- to regulate commercial activity. this where licensing schemes, registration gain jurisdiction over a pretend game where you dont know the difference betweenyurimon
- transportation vs right like travel. state deems most activity thats is fine-able a commercial act to raise revenueyurimon
- constitution is explicit in police powers, which is mostly to keep the peace, protect rights, thus an oath to the constitution if broken is punishable.yurimon
- i just find that none takes the time to educate themselves in the subtleties,the ignorance is what progresses the false authority n where you give up your poweryurimon
- defenders of justice should work like fire departments. voluntary and dynamic. if no fire don't create one.bliznutty
- “I have gained this by philosophy ... I do without being ordered what some are constrained to do by their fear of the law.”deathboy
- you may enjoy the works of Michel Foucaultfadein11