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"founded on the principle that you earn prosperity"
I think the founding principles are right here:
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Let's see government to...establish justice, check. Keep the peace and defend everybody. Something about general welfare. Try to keep liberty thing going long term. Check.Uh-huh.
I seem to miss the bit about prosperity and whether it is to be earned or given as a natural right. Can you please point it out there for me in those words. You know, the founding principles. Right there.
You know, there was a huge debate around 250 odd years ago between the Federalist and the Anti-Federalists that covered these issues - after the first attempt at nation founding floundered while trying out many of the same things the Conservatives of today seem to want. Maybe you should read some Thomas Paine. He wrote some founding principles you know. Had a few pamphlets that made the rounds. He made an argument for socialized healthcare in fact. That's been part of the debate since before day one. That's not something that got wrenched into the debate about what our Founding Principles are by some latter day marxists you know - or by some "dimocrats" or by Obama. It was discussed. By some of the Founders. It was there. At the beginning. Discussed among our founders.
Kinda sick and tired of you teabaggers re-inventing early american politics like you just discovered it and latch onto a few convenient facts that suit your argument and discard the rest by thinking it somehow doesn't count and saying stupid shit like "I believe in our founders when they said prosperity should be earned, not given."
You know what, "they" collectively didn't say that. There was lots of argument about it. Full blooded, American argument about what was and what wasn't granted by the government of the people, and the whole point was that we needed to figure it out for ourselves based on what was going on at any given time that would provide the best for the most. Heck, Jefferson even argued that we might need another revolution or so if things got hairy. You know, that kind of implies that what the Founders did wasn't sacrosanct even in their own minds. Go ahead and blow the shit up and start all over again if you have to. So, to say, using what you "truly believe" what the "founding principles" as some sort of appeal to unimpeachable objective authority is really just you talking out of your ass.
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- Fucken ay, yes.mikotondria3
- so its given? Ok suit your needs.whhipp
- lol. you really need to loosen up TBO. Fuck an egg.whhipp
- mm..really, he doesn't. TBO is NT Royalty, when he speaks, we listen. Go back and sit down.mikotondria3
- TBO understood more than you'll ever know about American politics when you were collecting stuffed animals.DrBombay
- No wait..will egg fucking loosen me up? Really? That could solve lots of problems.TheBlueOne
- Are we talking scrambled, hard boiled? Raw? I need some more intel here.TheBlueOne