Ban the Burqa?
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airey, another way to look at it would be, if you are concerned with oppressing peoples' freedom, why not focus on the most egregious examples of the problem? i.e., the fact that in much of the Middle East today, women can no longer dress the way they want (some may want the burqa but certainly not all), choose to pursue the career they want, and their rights have even gone backward since the era pictured above.
In that light, it's easy to see how the burqa or the hijab almost becomes a symbol of that oppression in some peoples' eyes. I mean, FFS, Iran is even one of the less restrictive in terms of this stuff and yet you still get this (from Wikipedia, which I don't think is full of made up Western propaganda)
"The Islamic revolution is ideologically committed to inequality for women in inheritance and other areas of the the civil code; and especially committed to segregation of the sexes. Many places, from "schoolrooms to ski slopes to public buses", are strictly segregated. Females caught by revolutionary officials in a mixed-sex situation can be subject to virginity tests.[9]"
"Bad hijab ― exposure of any part of the body other than hands and face — is subject to punishment of up to 70 lashes or 60 days imprisonment.[10][11] In April 2007, the Tehran police, (which is under Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei's supervision), began the most fierce crackdown on what's known as "bad hijab" in more than a decade. In the capital Tehran thousands of Iranian women were cautioned over their poor Islamic dress and several hundred arrested."
"During the Sixth Parliament, some of Iran's strongest advocates of women's rights emerged. Almost all of the 11 female lawmakers of the (at the time) 270-seat Majlis tried to change some of Iran's more conservative laws. However, during the elections for the Seventh Majlis, the all-male Council of Guardians banned the 11 women from running for office, and only conservative females were allowed to run. The Seventh Majlis reversed many of the laws passed by the reformist Sixth Majlis."
"During the administration of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's administration, the use of Siqeh, or temporary marriages (that can last from 30 minutes to a lifetime), became heavily used,[citation needed] especially in response to the financial demands of prenuptial agreements. The temporary marriages, enacted by fatwa in 1983 under Khomeini, are heavily criticized as a form of legalized prostitution."
- totally agree. but i ask again, are we measuring our acceptance by these countries?airey
- does forcing them unoppress (sic) them as some people think or oppress them more?airey
- Why not measure our outrage by the severity of the crime?ukit
- is all i'm asking.airey
- not sure i follow?airey
- i don't live in the middle east. i live here. and i'd like here to stand to higher individual values.airey
- haha, but you don't live in France do you? I used to, so I arguably have a greater say than you.ukit
- maybe but the bigger players in the globe all follow each others lead in this kind of thing.airey
- Maybe in Europe. Here in the U.S. it's a non issue because we don't have many Muslims.ukit
- we have a lot here and i'd like to think we could try to be accepting rather than small minded.airey