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- NBQ00-5
Iran is threatening Israel again that they will get involved if Gaza invaded.
But can somebody explain how they would fight Israel with Iraq and Syria between them?
Just sending long range rockets?
And obviously the US would immediately deal with Iran.
- https://foreignpolic…Bluejam
- ^ pretty much this
https://media.gq.com…Bluejam - I should've noted "excluding Hezbollah". Because Iran is saying they'd be intervening and not using proxy HezbollahNBQ00
- _niko0
What is the average Palestinian that is moving south, hundreds of thousands of them, kids and meagre belongings in hand, saying to Hamas as they pass them along their journey through rubble that was once their neighbourhoods?
Thank you?
- They need the war to bring the attention of the world to their situation. That's how dire it is. Otherwise it's just silent genocide like Armenia right now.ShenanigansTV
- ^ And the KurdsGnash
- Yeah that's exactly what they're thinking as American missiles are raining down on them.Khurram
- NBQ00-7
This guy is spitting bars
- yuekit-3
An Israeli air strike has hit al-Ahli hospital in Gaza City where thousands of civilians are seeking medical treatment and shelter from relentless attacks.
Gaza health ministry says at least 500 dead in hospital blast. A UN-run school housing refugees also struck.
- Fucking hell ...Continuity
- However Israel now denies they hit the hospital and claims it was a Hamas rocket.
https://twitter.com/…yuekit - Of course they deny it.Continuity
- Would it surprise anyone, if Hamas targeted their own hospital?utopian
- This is guaranteed to become another conspiracy like the Syria gas attacks.yuekit
- With both sides claiming the other side did it. It will probably become clear soon what happened though.yuekit
- HamasGnash
- hummusdoesnotexist
- Now Israel is blaming islamic Jihad_niko
- @doesnot Remember the days when a blunder like that deemed somebody unpresidential?garbage
- It was an Israeli airstrike lying fucking cunts https://twitter.com/…Khurram
- Israeli fucking scum https://twitter.com/…Khurram
- America's "Rules Based Order"Khurram
- https://twitter.com/…sted
- Yup, Hamas buddies not Israel. Sorry lying fucking sKummramGnash
- You got Hamas on the brain you dumb fuck not even the Zionist pigs are blaming them. Not like you know the difference between Palestinian factions ignorant prikKhurram
- Israeli scum already fired multiple artillery shells at the hospital as warnings and phoned them to leave 2 days ago:Khurram
- https://twitter.com/…Khurram
- Netanyahu's own aide tweeted his celebration that the hospital was hit as soon as he round out;Khurram
- https://www.reddit.c…Khurram
- Hamas and their fabled Super Rockets. The one time they use it, and never before in the past 15+ years, it goes wild and vaporises a hospital. YES!face_melter
- Yeah the scale of the attack suggests it was Israel. I wouldn't put much stock in that Israeli PR guy who probably just posts whatever he thinks he should toyuekit
- defend his government at any given moment.yuekit
- On the other hand the IDF is now saying they have evidence Islamic Jihad is behind it, which they will be releasing soon.yuekit
- And does IJ have the kind of firepower required to level buildings like that? I highly doubt it.Continuity
- Right except the building wasn't actually leveled. It looks like a misfired rocket hit the parking lot next to the hospital, where unfortunately a lot ofyuekit
- people were gathered.yuekit
- I said Hamas buddies, not Hamas. dumb sKummrannGnash
- Hamas has homemade rockets and not missiles. It takes a special kind of precision and power to take out that hospital.ShenanigansTV
- Krassy2
White House has discussed U.S. military response if Hezbollah attacks Israel
https://www.axios.com/2023/10/17…
- Those two warships American's got parked up are gonna make nice target practice of Iran's Shaheed drones.Khurram
- https://twitter.com/…Khurram
- Back to Dixie land they will go in those flag draped coffins >_<Khurram
- no chance, If Iran sinks those war ships/ aircraft carriers Tehran would be a giant crater which would be fucked up since 80% of the country hate the Ayatollahs_niko
- No chance those warships are sitting ducks for drone warfare? or no chance Iranian elements would risk the bombing of Tehran if their red lines are crossed?Khurram
- Reservoir Dogsslappy
- yuekit0
Israel having doubts about a ground campaign in Gaza
https://www.jpost.com/israel-new…
"The Post has confirmed from many sources that no one has yet decided what will happen to Gaza after the IDF will supposedly topple Hamas' rule."
- Of course they won't those pussies. They'd get slaughtered like their soldiers got slaughtered on those 2 military bases when the Quds forced stormed them oct 7Khurram
- Everybody knows how shit Israeli soldiers are in battle https://twitter.com/…Khurram
- Fucking pussies.Khurram
- Your argument is contradicting. You're antagonizing an invasion you don't want regardless of how many dicks and pussies you throw into a sentence.canoe
- You just showed up here out of the blue which makes you major suspish btw, which translates into - nobody is paying attention.canoe
- All your man there talks about is an imbalance of motivation, khurram. Your friends in Hamas have given them all the bloodthirstiness they'll ever needNairn
- Groundbreaking analysis provided again by NairnKhurram
- lol, grey wold howls and pees into the windGnash
- canoe1
This doesn't go all that well per a well controlled interview, but it is two people mouths moving.
Posting because any Palestinian perspective is required regardless of this disaster of a discussion.
Most of us here try to keep an open mind.
A few of us have the "way" to see both sides and be completely objective.
Some of us are eloquent, some us not so much. Speak your mind how you see fit BUT If you're not here for a better tomorrow, then what are you doing on QBN?
- Hijab is 1000 X more annoying than Piers here and that's saying a lot._niko
- This Mohammed guy is as thick headed and the arrogant Piers.utopian
- "as arrogant as"utopian
- Piers: I agree with you
Hijab (super agro): well you're wrong and here's why. Are Apples red? yes? exactly! there can never be peace in Palestine_niko
- _niko7
this is a much better interview
- yuekit1
"It wasn't us"
Israel says they have evidence in the form of audio recordings where Islamic Jihad militants admit responsibility for the hospital massacre, and they will be releasing this evidence in the future.
- why in the future and not now?pablo28
- An excellent question.Continuity
- it takes a minute to present in a format that even Continuity can't contest it.hotroddy
- https://x.com/MarioN…hotroddy
- Oh yes, that proves everything, doesn't it? Thank god you're here, hotroddy, to present such irrefutable proof. Don't know what we'd do without you.Continuity
- yuekit8
IMO it's looking more and more like Israel might be right and even that people lied or misreported what happened.
"The photos of the scene are, to me, not consistent with an airstrike and are not consistent with claims that 500+ people were killed."
- people spreading lies and disinformation in war? i am stunned.hans_glib
- Yeah if this version ends up being true it's classic example of why it's bad to jump to conclusions or judge things based on which side you support.yuekit
- shit is hitting the fan... molotows thrown at a synagoge in berlinneverscared
- missed it.neverscared
- Oh what a surprise. Hamas lied and everyone believed these fine peepsGnash
- he's still going in that thread. found that the main impact site was not the car park but a grass area that IDF cropped out of satellite imagerykingsteven
- the 'proof' against seems to be that from looking at it, the blast would have only killed 500 if they were standing in a 100m radius :-skingsteven
- But sounds like the crater is still too small to be an Israeli strike right? Main point is about whether the damage is more consistent with a rocket.yuekit
- FFS please do not believe tweetsnb
- If there is some proof it's an Israeli strike they should present it. Hamas and not Israel has access to the physical evidence.yuekit
- It’s going to be Israel’s fault regardless. If someone breaks into your house with a gun and threatens your family, you shoot at him but miss and kill your kid_niko
- ...the intruder will be charged with murder not you is how the argument will go._niko
- But others will say that the intruders are the police and the house being broken into belongs to the Manson family so the shitshow continues._niko
- How do we know this is the supposed image of the hospital?Beeswax
- It's from Palestinian sources and there's a number of different photos, videos and satellite images.yuekit
- Gnash0
So the hospital wasn't "vaporized" and is in fact still standing with pretty much all the damage limited to the parking lot -- where supposedly 500 people (according to Hamas) were killed
Caused by the geniuses firing a disintegrating missile from the cemetery behind the hospital. Good spot to launch missiles from.
here are a couple of the big-brains kvetching about it
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1…- NYT using a pic that's not even of the hospital
https://pbs.twimg.co…Gnash - Well it says what it is right below the picture.yuekit
- ^ ya, so? are you that naive to think using that picture with that headline wasn't a calculated decision?Gnash
- Seems more naive to imagine it was.yuekit
- lol, okGnash
- So in your mind the NYT is trying to falsely blame Israel and so they chose that photo to trick people into thinking it's the hospital?yuekit
- And that's the most likely explanation in your view. Not just that there are multiple stories on Gaza on the same page.yuekit
- oh boyGnash
- NYT using a pic that's not even of the hospital
- Gnash-4
"...the scale of the attack suggests it was Israel." good call, yuekit
- Not sure why you are trying to start an argument with me, I was skeptical of it from the beginning...yuekit
- okGnash
- But yeah based on what was reported at the time it sounded like a larger-scale attack. Still not really clear how many people were killed.yuekit
- and the lesson learned?Gnash
- Don't jump to conclusions like your New York Times conspiracy above? lolyuekit
- conspiracy? not what I said at all.Gnash
- it was a calculated decision to conflate the huge photo with the huge headline. how is that not obvious. it's like class 101 stuffGnash
- not 'conspiracy' just plain old biasGnash
- and newspaper salesGnash
- Newspaper sites are adding and removing content from their homepage constantly. The other picture from Tuesday was probably there before the headlineyuekit
- about the hospital attack which happened at night. Where's the idea the NYT is anti-Israel coming from anyway?yuekit
- https://archive.is/v…yuekit
- YupGnash
- the response to this was engineered by Israel to cause mistrust in the press. the audio proven fake and yeah Gnash posting the NYT thing just proof it works!kingsteven
- lol the circular logic is impressiveGnash
- lol, circular reasoning would be backing up an IDF tweet with a screen grab from NYT where there is a headline and a photo on the same page that aren't relatedkingsteven
- most of us wouldn't trust the Isreali or Palestinian gov't informationkingsteven
- the Israeli operative that posted the confirmation of it being an isreali attack calls himself "the head of isreal's digital war"kingsteven
- then conveniently deletes his tweet right after its published by reuters. i don't know but wouldn't doubt it was a hamas fuck-up but you wont see mekingsteven
- taking confirmation from the IDF or becoming a ballistics expert for the day to make myself feel better.kingsteven
- digital misinformation campaign 101kingsteven
- next you'll be saying Israel raped and burned and mutilated their own people of the clicks.Gnash
- ForGnash
- jesus gnash, yr really fighting the fight. i'm not sure you can spin 'i don't know but wouldn't doubt it was a hamas fuck-up' in to whatever you think i meantkingsteven
- NBQ001
So a lot of the media and pro-Palestine gang went with (dis)info by Gaza Health Ministry (run by Hamas) which pulled a 500+ causality figure out of their ass.
Such a causality figure would need the buildings and surrounding buildings to look like this.
Not a small crater, few burnt cars and shrapnel damage at buildings.
"ffs, don't trust tweets"... somebody said. But the tweets contain the information that was gathered from sources other than Hamas run health ministry.
Welcome to fog of war.
But even with enough evidence those who are always anti-Israel will never admit that there's big interest by Hamas and their supporters (Iran, etc) to always blame the Joos.
- Israel War Room is a US-based activist group who pay a grand a month for their gold checkmark. Nothing official about them.face_melter
- I only "quoted" them for this particular case, not because they may be a non-biased source.NBQ00
- A few times in the past the IDF did falsely blame Hamas or Islamic Jihad for killings, then quietly admitted their own culpability a few months later.yuekit
- So you can't really just go with automatically believing either side. But yeah some of the media screwed up badly this time, they should have waited.yuekit
- I guess the protests against the actual bombers will be starting anytime nowGnash
- Israel War Room is run by a child?canoe
- the hamas claims were verified by an isreali gov't aide claiming responsibility for bombing the hospital in a tweet that was published by reuterskingsteven
- then deleted... that's either the most shambolic thing i've ever seen or a deliberate attempt to cause mistrust of the presskingsteven
- I think people tend to dramatically underestimate the degree of random fuckups and coincidences in the world. As the saying goes, never assume maliceyuekit
- when stupidity will explain it. Many people at the time were repeating that Israel bombed the hospital... one guy with connection to the Israeli governmentyuekit
- also did. But he's not the official spokesman and has gotten things wrong before.yuekit
- i get it but... the press confirmed it on the back of his tweet yet the blame has fallen on BBC/ NYT etc. rather than this Israeli numptykingsteven
- it is quite clear from the timeline and how much that tweet was shared before the attack was reported as Israeli who the primary source waskingsteven
- I thought it was Palestinian officials the media was relying on. Anyway the irony of that guy wanting to do PR for Israel but this is probably his greatestyuekit
- impact on the conflict.yuekit
- lol. it's Israel's fault. beautiful, just breathtaking logicGnash
- no gnash, talking about the how the media response and public perception is being manipulated on both sideskingsteven
- @yuekit i think you are right and it was just a shambolic tweet. but it did contribute to how the story unfolded. even then the headlines are "Palestinians say"kingsteven
- in that NYT screengrab and here we are still wondering why they said it... so they weren't wrongkingsteven
- yuekit3
What's disturbing is that you can easily see how Israel's current actions will end up inspiring a new wave of terrorism. Not only against Israel but also the USA and European countries.
One thing the Israeli and US governments aren't grappling with is that the media has completely changed and so any atrocities against civilians will be carried around the world in real time to billions of Muslims. There also seems to be much more of an effort by Arab states as well as Iran to influence news coverage on social media.
No wonder Hamas wanted Israel to invade Gaza, this is like a recruitment campaign for their cause. And at this point Israel hasn't even started the ground invasion yet.
- The media spreading Hamas' lies in the past days sure hasn't helped either.NBQ00
- But even in cases where Israel gets falsely accused, it doesn't matter. People will choose the version they want to believe.yuekit
- Hamas knows exactly what its doing.Nairn
- I was just thinking this this morning. It's like trying to defeat the hydra by cutting off as many heads as possible.sarahfailin
- burn hydra down... problem solved.neverscared
- a hercules task..neverscared
- neverscared2
Reports from the massacre in Israel
- yeah, I saw this earlier. well, some of it, and stopped because I ended up blubbing like a motherfucker, as I have too many times over this mess, for both sidesNairn
- I've had to disengage from this a bit - i went a bit nuts consuming EVERYTHING the first few days and . I can't do it any more. The horror's entirely confirmed.Nairn
- very true ! ... insane nightmare ..neverscared
- brutalGnash
- Krassy0
Death toll in Gaza hospital blast greatly exaggerated - independent intel
Local Hamas-run Gazan sources allege that 471 people were killed at the hospital; foreign independent intelligence sources claimed instead that the number was closer to 10-50.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-n…
- No way. Hard to believe Hamas lied. I guess they’ll decapitating the head of PR nowGnash
- What are the chances that all of this intel about how it was Hamas who bombed it and that it wasn't severe is all just propaganda?monospaced
- If it only killed 10-50 people whoever bombed it did a shitty job.palimpsest
- I thought it was like hundreds. I’m behind.monospaced
- ^ That was the Hamas claim that everyone believed because why would they lieGnash
- yuekit1
Associated Press reports that even American officials are uneasy with Israel's plans and their disregard for civilian casualties. Strangely this text was deleted from the article with no explanation given.
Compare these two versions:
- yuekit1
Israeli politician is angry at Russia...
