Digital passport

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  • monoboy1

  • SteveJobs2

    Accountability that isn't voluntary is something else entirely

    • So is the subversion of democracy through misinformation.monoboy
    • I don't like it either, but bad actors are roasting us for money.monoboy
  • yuekit0

    Wouldn't something like this if it was ever implemented, actually have a chilling effect on a lot of online behavior?

    Peoples' willingness to speak out against their government for instance. In a lot of countries political debate can lead to violence, now they know where you live.

    What about something like online dating? Would women feel safe if every guy they chat with instantly knows their full identity?

    Or just any topic that someone doesn't want broadcast to the entire world. A gay person growing up in a socially conservative society, a teenage girl asking questions on a forum about birth control, someone looking up a medical condition online, etc.

    You could think of privacy and anonymity as a type of freedom and even civil right. Not sure it's worth putting that in jeopardy just to get rid of trolls and bots.

    • Exactly! Like I said, this would greatly affect real ppl irlgrafician
    • I'd suggest that data surveillance of the past decade has us already at this point now.monoboy
    • Facebook and all social is a 100% accurate psychometric test.monoboy
    • All I'm advocating is 'public' accountability for hate crimes and misinformation.monoboy
    • Because people with extreme views online are either ignorant or doing it for attention.monoboy
    • And it's tearing democracy apart.monoboy
    • Sure there is data surveillance, but it happens quietly behind the scenes. What you're talking about would go far beyond that.yuekit
    • Just consider the possibility there might be some unintended consequences.yuekit
    • Totally. But we need to 'democratise' accountability too. At the moment, we have zero control over the data.monoboy
    • That's what the rule law should afford us.monoboy
  • monoboy2

    48hrs later and none of the goon squad has commented.

    • Because there is no content in their maga sites to copy and paste opinions about this topic.Salarrue
    • Or are they checking with their handler?monoboy
    • Salarrue is correctnb
  • Fax_Benson0

    What colour will they be?

  • shapesalad2

    The whole internet needs resetting back to how it was around 2003 ~ 2008. The days of ‘Links’ pages on portfolio websites. I miss those days. I found so many great designer and illustrator websites through the ‘Links’ pages on other sites.

    • And there was no social media BS. No mindless YouTube. Or Spotify. Just simple websites and porn more akin to top shelf porn magazines of the 90s.shapesalad
    • Start a Digital Amish Farmnb
    • Twitter was pretty good till about 2009. Was fun and interesting and social... Then it all changed.webazoot
  • monoboy1

    "There is a difference between being a platform that facilitates public discourse and one that peddles incendiary, race-baiting innuendo guised as political speech for profit...You should decide which side you are on."

    https://homeland.house.gov/imo/m…

  • Maaku1

    Do you signup with the same username and play video games with the same nickname, always? I doubt it.

    • I do. psn and switch and steam. maybe that's dumb?ben_
    • You can have any username you want but your account will be linked to you via the eID.monoboy
    • Which anybody could check.monoboy
    • It's easy to track people anyway. The real benefit here is it'll make people think twice about shitposting.monoboy
  • monoboy1

    Another possible issue is how attitudes change and develop with age and experience.

    If you don't look back on what you said a decade ago and cringe, you haven't grown as a person.

    So judgment can be very harsh. But we're here already with that.

    • Fuck, I look back on what I said five minutes ago and cringe.

      This response is making me cringe.
      Nairn
    • If any of the nippy shit said on here was done face-to-face we'd be taking chunks out of each other.monoboy
    • tbf, i'm also a twat irl.Nairn
    • Here's a thought, what if some future technology is about to retroactively go back and figure out all of your past online accounts and tie them to you?yuekit
    • It's quite possible haha. So yeah, be carefulyuekit
    • Interesting, I always thought about the eID much less of a repository of your online actions that anyone can access, and more of just an accountability checkben_
    • if one starts on with hate speech, or spreading false information. Not a moral credit bureau.ben_
    • Yes. A lot of people will 'get cancelled' in that scenario.monoboy
    • Very black mirror.monoboy
  • Nairn1

    The problem with accountability - at least user/publicly-viewable accountability - is that which we've seen right here on QBN/NT over the years. That trust that is given is open to abuse.

    If I do a quick user scan of people who've here responded, most of us are essentially anonymous. It wasn't always like this. In the very old NT days, I'd spent a lot of time finding new websites - portfolios and work and such - directly from people's profiles. We were trusting.

    Sometimes that trust was abused - I was once a victim of that here, so I nixed most of my personal details and asked a mod (Version3) to delete the post that caused me problems, all because some anonymous cunt on here decided to merge realities and fuck with me IRL.

    It annoys me that it is so. There's a few of you here who know exactly who I am in real life, and I wish everyone else could too, should they wish.. but I'm not opening myself up to some limp cunt who's got nothing better to do one day than masturbate, get giddy on too much mountain dew and then phone my employer and fuck with my life (that's not hat happened in my case, but essentially the same level of cuntery).

    • Actually, sorry - that is exactly what happened in my case. 'Employer' being 'client' tho.Nairn
    • I took my personal information down for the same reasons, employer got a "discrete call about shit I'd been talking on the company". My bad but I've never notben_
    • stood behind what I say and thought this was a reasonably safe place. At the time it kind of was.ben_
  • ben_1

    I definitely don't disagree with accountability, I think it's up to the platforms themselves to demand its use on their own sites. Whether a news site in the comments section, an online forum, etc. Companies and media outlets that want transparency & accountability could really benefit from it and it could be a compelling seal of authenticity for those sites. Sure, share misinformation, but it will be under your name, not some pseudonym.

    If it were mandated by gov't or proposed as a new law to access the internet we'd run into many issues of privacy and access based on proof of identity or lack of it. People have varied access to even proof of their identification, but they can go to an internet cafe to check the news, so gating people like that from it seems dangerous.

    I don't think in the end it would serve to homogenize or impact free speech. Just bring accountability to what people say. And you're totally right, a good portion of the shit that's posted in threads here wouldn't have been if it could be attributed to the person who wrote it without having to dox them like some creep.

    • +1 "I think it's up to the platforms themselves to demand its use on their own sites"Nairn
    • It wouldn't restrict access to content, only the ability to add content anonymously.monoboy
    • /\ I agree with that entirely, I think if Gov's were to implement it, that's where it would inevitably go.ben_
  • Nairn0

    Twitter's 'verified user' model seems like a fair compromise.

    Where QBN is concerned, I'd simply like a way to hush certain users - a feature I'm fairly sure we had in the old NT days, no?

    I'm all for people doing what they do, I'd just quite like a way to filter it on occasion so I don't get distracted. This is kind of where I was coming from with my Deathboy thread recently - he'd likely not be so irksome if people weren't forced to see his schpiels and feel compelled to respond. It's easy to say 'don't feed the troll' - i've said and done as much many times. But then sometimes we slip and the troll has a crumb to sustain him (it's pretty much always a him).

    • It's like robo - robo is often trolly, but he's often not, so I'd not filter him. Some of these new troll-first pseuds that *might* also be him? Insta-Nix.Nairn
  • Nairn0

    Don't they do this - or something like it - in Germany?

    Anyone from there able to chime in?

    I know ('know') you need ID to buy SIMs in Germany, and a lot more countries besides (you don't need to here in the UK).

    • The have some of the strictest personal data laws in the EU.monoboy
  • Bennn0

    I agree monoboy, the toxic environment of the Internet has reached a point where it snuck into politics and into people's life and it affect lots of things/persons. Internet had changed our lifes in good and bad ways.

    • Myeah, identification won't magically clean up human nature.Nairn
    • just complicates something what should be dead simple.sted
  • hans_glib6

    i'm absolutely against this sort of creeping authoritarianism. it's always presented as being for our own good, but it never is.

    what happens when the computer has a glitch and assigns some incorrect info against your profile? the morons on the other end of the terminal always believe what's on the screen and getting them to see different is impossible.

    i still remember (and cite) the example of being sent a termination account for electricity, and ringing the electric co to ask what it was all about. "you've been cut off" said the tired voice at the end of the phone. "no i haven't i'm sitting here with the lights and computers on". yes you have, my screen is telling me you have. you need to pay up or we'll come after you in the courts"... etc etc

    or the time i was refused life insurance because my medical records had got mixed up with someone else's and the life insurance co saw that i was suffering from alcoholic psychosis, or something equally serious. it took a week of endless calls to various bodies to get that put right, such is the power of the machine and the operator's belief in it.

    slowly but surely all the state apparatus is being put in place to facilitate a dictatorship if it ever emerged (please god let it not) in the uk. this shit is insidious and the less we have the better.

    if you don't like the shit on the internet then get off it, or at least the larier sides of it. for instance i never look at the "nsfw" thread... i don't want that kind of shit in my head. i don't mind it being there, i just want no part of it.

    • Fair point. Brazil is one of my favourite films.monoboy
    • But we need a more robust response to this shit. It's out of control.monoboy
    • *bones nod.gif

      Well said, hans.
      Nairn
    • @monoboy - the "robust response" must come from within you. stop believing and/or being offended by shit on t'internet. in other words use your common sense.hans_glib
    • It's not an issue for me. I'm more worried about people that turn up to pizzerias with shotguns.monoboy
    • It's crossing into politics in way that's become very dangerous.monoboy
    • There's probably a leaderboard ranking in the FSB for the most outlandish shit you can get a dumbfuck to do on US soil.monoboy
    • <wibble>FakeNooze</wibble>monoboy
    • And UK soil for that matter.monoboy
    • @hans - but what about troll-farmed content that isn't outright offensive, but is persuadingly just off enough to rock the boat?Nairn
    • what about it? if you treat anything in the media, social or old school, as gospel then good luck to you.hans_glib
    • Ok, you're a smart guy so you know that difference. What about the 98%?
      You know, the sort who voted Brexit for reasons entirely detrimental to them?
      Nairn
    • People do though hans. That's the problem.monoboy
    • so we (the so-called "enlightened ones") must become the thought police, ensuring that the 98% right-think? fucking listen to yourselves.hans_glib
    • eh? the problem we have here is that we have absolutely no precedence for an environment which is so ruthlessly-efficent at disseminating memesNairn
    • (like, proper memes, not fucking cats). I'm totally with you about not being authoritarian about others consumption, but... you do see the danger here?Nairn
    • i literally don't have the first fucking clue about what a good response to all this is.
      But it's clearly something that is moulding our times.
      Nairn
    • All this does is add accountability. Making self-modification more likely. And it gives a right to reply for the illegal stuff.monoboy
    • It's not about censorship.monoboy
  • grafician2

    NO.

    This will surely accentuate the problems even more, without offering nothing of value going forward.

    Internet should always be free speech and anonymous.

    You can (self) moderate content, there are lots of ways technically speaking. But putting more limits on this mostly free medium is hurting real ppl irl.

  • CyBrainX0

    There is no chance governments (obviously the jackass in the White House) would use this to his advantage to target dissidents. Free speech is messy sometimes and there's no way around it. We're stuck with Robo.

    • lol. The price of freedom is robo and deathboyyuekit
    • The incitement of violence has become mainstream and it worries me. And how easy it is to do.monoboy
    • ^ I agree. Violence is going to be worse, at least for a while but there are even worse things that can happen limiting access to social media. Look at China.CyBrainX
  • Nairn1

    The problem as I see it is that there's always a way around these things and the people who have most to lose by the deployment of such tech are also the people most likely - and able (!) - to seek out ways around it.

    I prefer the idea of a big stick, post hoc.

    • You'd be the first to get a strongly worded letter in my post-fake internet world.monoboy
    • hehe, i always say to my partner when she's pissed at someone or thing "Damnit, woman - we should write them a letter!".Nairn
    • ..like, *always*. For years now. The joke, such as it is, wore thin back in 2014.Nairn
    • I should add - I fairly frequently write letters to companies - usually food companies - giving them my opinion. I have so many unused apologetic coupons...Nairn
  • monoboy0

    The real solution is self-moderation but we've quickly developed into this a black and white cancel culture.

    And it's increasingly difficult to tell what's truth and what's fiction.

    During the Trump election campaign, the Russian troll army successful instigated a riot on US soil using fake Facebook content.

    It's become a weapon.

    • They must be absolutely pissing themselves with glee at how effective it's been for them.monoboy
    • And yet very few news outlets and politicians are willing to say it in publicmonoboy
    • The GOP are fully aware but are more than happy to go-along with it. Even double-down.monoboy
    • Are you referring to the current riots as Russian-instigated?e-wo
  • yuekit2

    I don't see how you would ever implement this technically.

    Also, people on Facebook use their real names and when you see a Facebook comments section it's still a cesspool more often than not.

    The real problem is the media, culture and just basic human nature. It goes way beyond whether you login with your real name or not.

    • It's already underway in Scotland. I think the EU are on it too.monoboy
    • The purpose of the eID is to verify the user rather than directly identify them. Making it very difficult to sing up to things like facebook.monoboy
    • Facebooks last public estimate in 2018 indicated that there are 118m fake accounts.monoboy
    • Govs need to do something as physical passports, driving licenses, tax, National insurance are all going digital anyway.monoboy
    • The downside is, everything you sign up to will be recorded against your name by your Gov.monoboy
    • Yeah, there was a point a few years back I was worried that Google/FB IDs would become de facto identity passports on 3rd party sites.Nairn
    • But are Scotland and EU using this to stop trolling? Or just as a way to verify your identity when for instance you access a government site?yuekit
    • Thankfully that's not, yet at least, come to pass. Not sure I'd be any more comfortable with a government issued equivalent. more likely, much less so.Nairn
    • Both. Two birds scenario.monoboy
    • The EU could make it law for companies that store user data like FB and Twitter to enable eID for signups and logins.monoboy
    • Sturgeon is worried her little secret gets out,.SwordDesign