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- neverscared0
Covid booster vaccine to be offered to millions in England next week
Care home residents will be first to receive spring top-up jab as infections in England hit 2023 highMillions of people in England will be offered a Covid booster jab next week, health officials have announced, as recent estimates show infections have climbed to their highest level this year.
Care home residents will be the first to receive the spring Covid-19 booster vaccine from Monday, with millions more people invited to book an appointment from Wednesday.
- https://www.theguard…neverscared
- They're not dying quickly enough?zardoz
- palimpsest9
Me walking into QBN with new Covid information.- Well can you share it?grafician
- LolGnash
- Those are some alpha eyebrows.Akagiyama
- Um, we prefer the term "power brows".garbage
- @grafician: DYOR, remember?hans_glib
- Can we talk for a moment the length — or, rather, lack thereof — of your tie, pali?Continuity
- I don't need to compensate.palimpsest
- I know. No-one's implying anything about your manhood.
But, only down to your navel?Continuity - It's so I can touch tips.palimpsest
- Tie too short, would not bangdrgs
- Why are they over exposing this poor dude.pango
- where's his wedding band?Krassy
- bad hip replacement, NHS?fadein11
- Can't afford clothes that fit?i_monk
- @hans DYOR Idk DIOR? or?grafician
- Btw I was the first to upvote this :* @paligrafician
- Still waiting on the info brografician
- Grab a chair.palimpsest
- Tomatoes involved?!
Or whatever the fuss was about in this thread last time?grafician - @graf: Do Your Own Researchhans_glib
- @hans ah damn ofc you're right!grafician
- Morning_star-3
@yuekit You can't simply reject this...
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Starting in at least 2016 – and with no indication of a stop prior to the COVID-19 outbreak – WIV researchers conducted experiments involving RaTG13, the bat coronavirus identified by the WIV in January 2020 as its closest sample to SARS-CoV-2 (96.2% similar). The WIV became a focal point for international coronavirus research after the 2003 SARS outbreak and has since studied animals including mice, bats, and pangolins.The WIV has a published record of conducting “gain-of-function” research to engineer chimeric viruses. But the WIV has not been transparent or consistent about its record of studying viruses most similar to the COVID-19 virus, including “RaTG13,” which it sampled from a cave in Yunnan Province in 2013 after several miners died of SARS-like illness.
WHO investigators must have access to the records of the WIV’s work on bat and other coronaviruses before the COVID-19 outbreak. As part of a thorough inquiry, they must have a full accounting of why the WIV altered and then removed online records of its work with RaTG13 and other viruses.
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I understand that there's not conclusive evidence either way but your insistence that it can't be the WIV is perplexing. You are essentially claiming that your speculation is better than any other speculation. It's all speculation. And, until (if ever) China decide to co-operate it's unlikely we'll know the truth. I can't see how you can reject one in favour of the other.
- These are allegations from Mike Pompeo.
https://2017-2021.st…yuekit - The Trump admin put out a lot of rumors about the lab, very few of which are true. So in this case...the RaTG13 virus they're talking about can't possibly beyuekit
- turned into SARS-CoV-2, it's too genetically different.yuekit
- This would be like trying to engineer a human in a lab directly from a monkey and leaving out all the actual evolution.yuekit
- So yea there's just an ocean of BS out there on this topic, even coming from the government.yuekit
- This is what's most remarkable about the lab leak story...not the actual lab leak but how people have managed to confuse and mislead the public through thingsyuekit
- that sound like they're true but are wrong on some very complex technical point that undermines the whole thing.yuekit
- That's not the point. There is information that hasn't been made available from the WIV. Given that they were collecting and studying SARS like viruses from...Morning_star
- ...various locations throughout China which are known to jump to humans, a WIV origin can't be discounted. Or do you know something different?Morning_star
- There are a lot of things that can't be discounted but it doesn't mean you put them on the same level as something there's hard evidence for.yuekit
- Hard evidence? Have i missed something here. You have hard evidence that an animal from the Wet Market tested positive for SARS-CoV-2?Morning_star
- This is where I think you're going astray...the standard of evidence is not "this thing is already 100% proven, and if it's not 100% then it's just as likelyyuekit
- as anything else."yuekit
- Nothing is ever proven in science, it's all about likelihood and accumulating evidence. Even if they found an infected animal you could still make some weirdyuekit
- argument (not saying you specifically but people probably would) that it escaped from the lab and walked across the city, something like that :)yuekit
- But that would rightfully be seen as idiotic. Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? No.yuekit
- And in spite of what you seem to think there's a lot of evidence for zoonotic origin, summarized here...
https://i.imgur.com/…yuekit - I understand, but no. It's more like: The origin of SARS-CoV-2 'could' be the Wet Market because we have existing examples in nature that show similar ...Morning_star
- ...progress from animal to human and the wet market sold those animals but we have no 'hard' evidence that this was the case. The virus 'could' have come from..Morning_star
- ...the WIV but the evidence to prove either way has been suppressed by the Chinese Government.
I think the potential WIV origin has merit because the info...Morning_star - Samples at the market are hard evidence. The CCP clearing out the animals means the failure to find the original infected animal is...what you'd expect.yuekit
- ...has been suppressed. Why would China block access to data that could prove it wasn't the WIV?Morning_star
- But that's not all there is to it. People who actually know about this stuff will point out SARS-CoV-2 isn't at all what you'd predict for an engineered virus.yuekit
- When they do experiments virologists almost always use a "template" similar to how a web developer might use a framework. So the base expectationyuekit
- is actually that it would be easy to tell it came from the lab.yuekit
- Another point is there are two different lineages of the virus at the market from the beginning that almost certainly didn't evolve from each other.yuekit
- They are totally separate, different versions of SARS-CoV-2 that when you look at the genetic evolution, it's difficult to see how one evolved from the other.yuekit
- That's very difficult to explain from a lab leak but exactly what you'd expect if there was zoonotic spillover from a group of animals.yuekit
- These are allegations from Mike Pompeo.
- neverscared1
A meta-analysis of the associations between insufficient sleep duration and antibody response to vaccination
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Insufficient sleep (<6 hours/night) around vaccination reduces the antibody response
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The reduction is similar to the waning of COVID-19 vaccine antibodies over 2 months
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The association seems robust in men, but more data are needed in women
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Optimizing sleep duration around the time of vaccination may boost antibody response- boosting the vaccine with sweet dreams... who would have thought...neverscared
- .. close to everybodyneverscared
- Well, if it follows that getting your 8 hours in is good for recovering from everything from a cold to an intense workout, then it certainly makes sense that itContinuity
- ... boosts vaccine effectiveness.Continuity
- I sleep badly and currently have covid.Fax_Benson
- i sleep badly and don't have covidhans_glib
- I slept well when I had covid.Continuity
- so weed and sleep is best then...https://pubme...neverscared
- https://www.forbes.c…neverscared
- How many hours to counteract the myocarditis?zardoz
- zeroneverscared
- yuekit1
A new analysis of genetic samples from China appears to link the pandemic’s origin to a specific animal...
- This may be the final nail in the coffin of the lab leak theory. I'm disappointed that you guys doubted me :)yuekit
- The evidence by now strongly points to it spilling over to humans at the market from raccoon dogs, which is the #1 animal in the world used in the fur industry.yuekit
- lab animals are the cutest :)utopian
- Why blame scientists? It never made sense. Just a reboot of Climategate and other conspiracy theories.yuekit
- Have you read the article Yuekit?
"The findings don’t rule out the possibility that other animals may have been carrying SARS-CoV-2 at Huanan. ...Morning_star - Raccoon dogs, if they were infected, may not even be the creatures who passed the pathogen on to us."Morning_star
- In every paragraph or two the article goes to great lengths to say that this isn't, by any means, a smoking gun.Morning_star
- Of course, but it's about looking at the overall evidence. At this point we'd be expected to believe a virus leaks from a lab and just incidentally ends up atyuekit
- market selling the exact species of animals involved in the SARS-1 outbreak AND now we find out the animals were likely infected..yuekit
- ...but we're meant to believe it didn't come from there? Give me a break hahayuekit
- People are just desperate to keep this narrative of lab leak that they've bought into alive. But look at the actual evidence, does any of it support that? No.yuekit
- I'm also slightly hurt Morning_star by your suggestion that I don't properly understand the article :) I've been following this topic for a long time...yuekit
- And something that's quite funny is that the French scientist who made this discovery credited me at one point for helping point her in the right direction.yuekit
- But this discovery, assuming it holds up, is very strong evidence of natural origin. Just because you can hypothetically imagine some deus ex machina series ofyuekit
- events that get it from the lab to infecting animals at the market doesn't mean that's a likely possibility at all. Science is ultimately all about likelihood.yuekit
- Yes, an animal DID start the pandemic. It's name? Anthony Fauci.zardoz
- lolyuekit
- "Science is ultimately about likelihood"...Nah, that's insurance and gambling ;) In all seriousness, you make it sound like a democratic process...Morning_star
- It's a systematic methodology based on evidence. And, in this case the evidence isn't conclusive. I guess that the likelihood of the Wet Market origin may...Morning_star
- ..be the front running theory but Lab Leak is still in the race and can't be brushed aside.Morning_star
- but trump said covid is a democratic hoax....neverscared
- Like a raccoon dog with a bone. LolGnash
- Some Chinese bloke fucked a raccoon?crazyprick
- The report hasn't been released yet. The Chinese report from 2022 spoke about the animal swabs not containing COVID DNA.Jrdntnnr
- This report is about the environmental swabs. In the NYT article, they say human DNA, COVID and that of animals (plural) was found in themJrdntnnr
- 2001 I was in at a CL2 lab in central London just after a professor was reprimanded for walking around with a unsecured vial of antibiotic resistant botulinumJrdntnnr
- People are dumbJrdntnnr
- ^ exactlyGnash
- Sure of course a lab accident can happen, but it’s just weird how people have ignored that the first SARS-2 cluster in the world was at an animal market..yuekit
- Selling the exact same species that were found infected during the SARS-1 outbreak (raccoon dogs and civets)yuekit
- @yuekit this still isn't strong evidence. The samples were environmental. The samples contained DNA of multiple animals and humans.Jrdntnnr
- If I took samples in my house in March 2021, you'd find COVID, dog, cat, and human DNA. It's like taking that and saying it came from the cats.Jrdntnnr
- Also, the report isn't out yet. Why are they taking it as evidence? Preprint? No. Peer review? Obviously not.Jrdntnnr
- @yuekit Whilst the Wet Market was the epicentre of the outbreak, there is no evidence that it was the origin. As you’ve rightly..Morning_star
- ...pointed out to me on several occasions, the definitive evidence showing what/where/how of the virus origin is so far circumstantial and speculative.Morning_star
- So much for the ‘final nail in the coffin’Gnash
- @Jrdntnnr actually there's more to it than that, a more detailed version was released
https://zenodo.org/r…yuekit - They managed to reconstruct the genomes of individual animals to show exactly which subspecies were there, which could help trace the origin.yuekit
- Also it's not as cut and dry as saying "there were people and animals at the market." In some cases the virus samples contain entirely animal DNA and no humanyuekit
- Is it possible that civet cats and raccoon dogs are animals used for lab testing in Asia, given their (apparent),closeness to humans? (jumping species barrier)monNom
- I mean, is China importing ferrets en-mass from North America for their serial passage experiments? or are they using something domestically available?monNom
- It would be interesting to know if they also have domestically developed transgenic mice, and other animals. That could help explain the occurrence in humans.monNom
- It's possible but it's also possible that people slaughtering thousands of animals imported from all over Asia got infected with a virus :)yuekit
- And it’s also possible that the lab down the street that has the same as the virus is complicitGnash
- The lab isn't down the street though, it's on the other side of the city.yuekit
- Maybe this will help people understand...these are some actual pictures of the market.
https://imgur.com/a/…yuekit - @yuekit What do you think those images show that strengthen your position? Every single positive test for Covid was environmental. No animals tested in the ..Morning_star
- ...the market showed infection. None. There is no evidence to show the virus jumping from bats to humans. Yet, 10km away a lab was studying the Covid virus.Morning_star
- I don't understand why you've nailed your colours to the mast on this. The evidence just isn't conclusive for either theory.Morning_star
- What’s the name of that lab again?Gnash
- You mean the Wuhan Institute of Virology? Cmon guys you don't even know the name of the lab, how are you so convinced about this?yuekit
- What's happened is that these people in the lab leak movement like Matt Ridley and Alina Chan have succeeded in confusing people.yuekit
- It’s a movement? You mean like Chinese propaganda ?Gnash
- So Morning_star said earlier that the lab actually had this virus...that's not true but I can understand why you'd think that.yuekit
- "No animals tested in the market showed infection. None." Again this is wrong...what happened is that China simply didn't release any information about theyuekit
- animals at all and later claimed they were never sold there to begin with.yuekit
- So it was really just the CCP censoring this information, and as a result people came up with these alternative theories.yuekit
- There's never been any actual evidence at all pointing at the lab. There's a big difference between physical evidence like actual cases of COVID or positiveyuekit
- samples -- which both exist at the market, and these are the first known cases in the world -- vs. an entirely theoretical possibility that gets repeated in theyuekit
- media a bunch of times and that people want to believe in.yuekit
- grafician-3
"#UPDATE President Joe Biden has signed into law a bill requiring the release of intelligence materials on potential links between the outbreak of the Covid pandemic and a laboratory in the Chinese city of Wuhan."
- The bad guy from Dallas Buyer's Club better run!MondoMorphic
- he needs a law to gather intelligence from his own agencies?monospaced
- oh, it's just a bill requiring the federal agencies to declassify the intel, I seemonospaced
- I remember the House and Senate unanimously passed this weeks ago. Good on him.monospaced
- neverscared5
Covid’s effect on mental health not as great as first thought, study suggestsCovid-19 may not have taken as great a toll on the mental health of most people as earlier research has indicated, a new study suggests.
The pandemic resulted in “minimal” changes in mental health symptoms among the general population, according to a review of 137 studies from around the world led by researchers at McGill University in Canada, and published in the British Medical Journal.
Brett Thombs, a psychiatry professor at McGill University and senior author, said some of the public narrative around the mental health impacts of Covid-19 were based on “poor-quality studies and anecdotes”, which became “self-fulfilling prophecies”, adding that there was a need for more “rigorous science”.
- that's because tomatoes don't have mental health problems, it's been provenhans_glib
- As a tomato, I approve this comment.palimpsest
- Also, as a tomato, the COVID measures wrecked havoc on my family. But I still don't take my anectodal evidence as an argument against the measures taken.palimpsest
- killertomatoes all iam sayin.. dangerous vegetables everywhere .. with 5G and all their names are billneverscared
- Tomatoes have feelings too.palimpsest
- You lot really are actual moronsRendle
- Coo.Continuity
- He's back!
We're still waiting on the date:
https://www.qbn.com/…palimpsest - https://www.youtube.…palimpsest
- Tomatoes together strongcrazyprick
- @Rendle
Give us some dates. Whatever fits your monthly schedule.
Bitch!palimpsest - Coo Cooneverscared
- My wife is a teacher. I can PROMISE you that there are massive issues with mental health re. Covid/lockdowns etcexador1
- while i agree with the necessity of having had the lockdowns, there are kids at school right now that have very low socialization skillsexador1
- my son is a senior, he graduates next year...
as he puts it 'these grade 9's are fucking insane dad!' lol...exador1 - my wife has seen it at the school she teaches at too... the new cohort coming through is the most difficult she's seen in almost 30 years of teaching.exador1
- it's not just isolated... staff had a meeting with the school board...
it's ALL schools.exador1 - there's a cohort coming through that had 3 years of barely any proper socialization, learning or guidance etc...exador1
- and they are, as my son so eloquently puts it 'fucking insane' lol...exador1
- not really ... one man´s tiny opinion vs.a bold number of scientifc studies...i know where my bets are on and so should yours ...otherwise its too esoteric..neverscared
- so you just can go believe every village dork who has an off ballanced opinion.neverscared
- Palimpset. You've been nothing but an empty headed retard that hasn't put forth a single piece of worthwhile response.Rendle
- You've done nothing but talk utter nonsense. What on earth makes you think I'd waste my time talking with you further?Rendle
- You're clearly a belligerent imbecile.Rendle
- At least people like yuekit, regardless of us disagreeing, put forth intelligible arguments. You are nothing but a moron. Do not address me again.Rendle
- You think I'm going to sit there and listen to you blathering on about tomatoes and other idiocy?Rendle
- You genuinely have no concept of how much of a blithering muppet you come across?Rendle
- At least yuekit and such can form some sort of coherent argument. You're a clueless and unintelligible retard.Rendle
- Only slightly worse than Nairn who has no input except 'coo'. Every time I come here I feel myself getting dumber. Horrible sess pit of a place.Rendle
- It's funny how much of an impact I've had on you, though. Go outside for a walk. Maybe talk to someone in real life.Rendle
- wendle... you sound like an angry tomato that is crying like a dumb bitch that a pidgeon has just craped onneverscared
- "Do not address me again."
Fucking LOLContinuity - I can see why my comments would leave you confused but this is something I could have talked you through during the debate.palimpsest
- Yuekit has said all he's going to say. Nairn can't even respond to basic questions explaining his belief systemRendle
- These side notes are very limited, they don't give us enough space to spell things out for everybody.
I'm here for you.palimpsest - Palimpset seems like he has some sort of mental illness. What a place. One day you'll realise that effect the vaccine is having. Until then, bon voyage retards.Rendle
- Oh, are you leaving? For real?
Well, thank god for that. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, you spastic fuckstick.Continuity - C'est qu'on appelle filer à l'anglaise.
À la prochaine , bitch!palimpsest - BYE CUNTcrazyprick
- Did someone remind Rendle that he brought up tomatoes in his irrational analogy outlining his complete ignorance of what genetic modification means?monospaced
- bon voyage retardmonospaced
- the 5G's got to set again I seeinteliboy
- Rendle-4
With every passing day, our 'conspiracy' is evidently more realistic, and the mainstream theory that was rammed down your throats becomes more and more idiotic. Anyone waking up yet? Or do I have to come back in two years.
- The question from here on out becomes... not what was true, because it's now obvious, but who behaved like a cunt defending the lie?Rendle
- And are they strong enough to admit their mistake or will they defend their idiocy to the death? Interesting times...Rendle
- Obvious? I don’t think so. What we have is diminishing levels of certainty pertaining to the facts we were lead to believe. I’m guessing there’s some stuff...Morning_star
- ...we will never know and other stuff that will be lost in time...like tears in the rain.Morning_star
- Sounds like someone who can't admit they're wrong. Rather than your utter waffle, can you prove that I'm wrong?Rendle
- It sounds like you'd love it if we 'will never know'. Yes, we will. Many of us already do. You complied with lies and tyranny. You failed.Rendle
- Apart from being as vague as a shouty pissed-up vagrant. Your general approach is one of a cunt. So no.Morning_star
- rendle is somehow more worthless than he believes the vaccine to be. the 5g really did get himimbecile
- So what you're both saying is .. 'I don't have a sensible argument but you annoy me so I'm going to insult you!' Correct?Rendle
- Not one of you little half witted cunts has given a single piece of evidence to prove what I'm saying is wrong. But you still think you're right? LOLRendle
- The cunt is backcrazyprick
- This place is full of empty headed retards that shout insults but not a single person can debate me.Rendle
- Debate about what, you vague fuck?crazyprick
- You didn't even read the thread you commented on? And you genuinely feel confident to ask as if it doesn't make you look like a moron?Rendle
- If you're not sure of what I'm asking, then why are you calling me a cunt? You didn't read what I said? Yet you're replying? LOLRendle
- Actually you should read your own faggy shit and realize you're bringing absolutely nothing of substance. Hop on your boat and fuck off.crazyprick
- This is a very odd approach when trying to convince people of something. I think truthers just need a fix of these reactions to confirm their own biases.MrT
- That's fine. Prove me wrong then???Rendle
- Because so far you've completely missed what I've said, thrown some random insult, and then ignored me when I've said reply to my commentRendle
- In case you didn't know that ignoring the whole point of the conversation and instead calling me a faggy prick makes you look dumb as almighty fuckRendle
- I never called you a prick, fagcrazyprick
- You also never addressed a single point I made.Rendle
- You think we're that fucking stupid? There's absolutely NOTHING that will change your messed up mind. A discussion with someone like you is a waste of time.crazyprick
- cool coolrobotinc
- With every passing day, we fail to see the deaths you predicted. So, really you have explaining to do.monospaced
- three more days, no excess deaths to back up your bullshit, and you have also failed to refute the facts I continue to lay at your pathetic, ignorant feetmonospaced
- In light of this failure to address these irrefutable facts that directly negate your nonsense claims, I can only conclude that you officially concede defeatmonospaced
- Rendle-4
For all the downvotes, who's able to address my original point? Not Nairn.
Why did it annoy you so much, if you have an answer? Be my guest...
- seek help, like ivermectin or somethingimbecile
- I'm seeking your opinion on why I'm wrong... should be simple, right?Rendle
- How am I wrong? The floor is yours...Rendle
- I've been asking for 22 days...Rendle
- Simply put, the consensus among experts doesn’t align with what you’re saying, and neither does the data.monospaced
- Also, it’s not our responsibility to prove you wrong. It’s on you to prove you’re right, since you’re the one making the assertions.Continuity
- Using your line of reasoning Rendle, the fact that you have no response to my post that the data doesn’t support you is your concession that you’re a moronmonospaced
- Your FAILURE to address my address of your question with a fact so undeniable I know is problematic. So I take YOUR failure as your resignation.monospaced
- Continuity2
Be careful what you wish for, @neverscared!
- And, @hans, re: 'tomatoes don't mental health problems, it's been proven'
I think, sir, you have all the documentary evidence here to the contrary.Continuity - As a tomato, I approve this message.palimpsest
- i beg to disagree, this public service announcement clearly shows how tomatoes cause mental health issues, rather than having them themselves.hans_glib
- killmato bro...neverscared
- And, @hans, re: 'tomatoes don't mental health problems, it's been proven'
- yuekit0
The lab leak saga really is incredible...you have people like Robert Redfield, Trump's CDC director during the pandemic, testifying that it was a lab leak with no real evidence of it.
And in the process Redfield reveals that he has no understanding of concepts like what a furin cleavage site is, doesn't know that SARS-1 transmitted human to human and generally makes a fool of himself.
https://twitter.com/MichaelWorob…
Scientists are basically in awe at how this person was CDC director and it actually explains why the initial US response to the pandemic was so disastrous. But it's not clear to me that journalists, who have generally done a terrible job covering this topic, even realize it.
- It is a faithful reflection of those who govern us and of our society in general. incompetence everywhere. Sad.OBBTKN
- Eh, and I'm not saying that I'm smart. I'm just a guy who knows how to draw, push pixels and prepare barbecues ¯\_(ツ)_/¯OBBTKN
- And lives the good life in Basque Country.Continuity
- neverscared1
- HK deals with avian flus all the time. They were wearing masks regularly long before Covidimbecile
- Truemonospaced
- Also, I've always noticed Chinese tourists wearing masks in Europe since waaaaaay before Covid.Continuity
- masks play to your insecurities and offer comfort when you go outside in the world.hotroddy
- and partly the reason why generation z are slow to take off the masks and by women who wear the hijab, burqa etc.hotroddy
- after a while you feel 'naked' not wearing them because you've been conditioned by a gov't or religionhotroddy
- masks did way more harm than good. It made our criminals brazen and our children pussies.hotroddy
- Instead of making our children criminals and our pussies brazen.palimpsest
- Lol to the hotrod stupidityimbecile
- So dumb. I hope he's doing a bidpango
- wear the mask for its mysterious effect , during sex and when stealing things..neverscared
- feel naked when u don´t wear them ? what´s this ..the comedyhour for mentally retarded people ala hotdoddyneverscared
- Studies show ugly folk are the big cheerleaders for masks.zardoz
- says the guy who gets his studies from centipede university...neverscared
- just ugly people keep wearing mask to hide dem ugly facesmilfhunter
- https://graziamagazi…neverscared
- It’s for health reasons and always has been.monospaced
- Fucking idiot talking about “government conditioning” after a year or so. What a clown.monospaced
- I wore masks before COVID, and will continue to do so. I'm not really sure why it makes people insecure, but I can't really comprehend soft minds.garbage
- must be very very hard for bizardoz and mifli´s wife and gf .. now they have to wear masks for their whole life if its true what they both claim...neverscared
- cuntroddy, you're such a fagcrazyprick
- still talking about masks? holy shit this pandemic proves a majority of western people to be fragile as fuckinteliboy
- If by fragility you mean not understanding that they prevent the communal spread of other illnesses in congested urban environments..garbage
- ..or you don't live somewhere where "smoke season" hasn't become a norm. Pre-COVID, I was used to having a few months where masks were highly advisable.garbage
- So tell me which is fragile? The person that has had to walk through ash every summer for years..garbage
- ..or the one that takes umbrage because they can't handle wearing a mask. It isn't hard boy.garbage
- It's the people masked up, alone in their cars that get me. *Seinfeld bass riff*zardoz
- Good thing is that people wearing masks in cars has absolutely NOTHING to do with some fucknut retard snowflake thinking there's government conditioning.monospaced
- My body, my choicecrazyprick
- huh? garbage... we agree... I think you read my message wrong... or need to take a deep breathinteliboy
- I was being defensive and firing away. I thought you were riding that "masks are a thing of the past" train. My apologies, #niceweek.garbage
- Nairn5
- Coo.palimpsest
- aicoo, bless yooNairn
- Coopango
- coo coocherub
- shapesalad6
Rendle... hospitals and excess deaths:
So during 2020 as we saw lockdowns, at least in the UK - hospitals cut lots of scheduled operations and delayed many appointments. The public also felt scared away from visiting their GP for a small thing they've noticed that actually could be something serious, eg cancer.
So over 2020 you are seeing excess deaths due to covid + a lack of medical intervention into non-covid issues.
Once vaccines rolled out, you still saw excess deaths due to the aforementioned non-covid treatment and diagnosis delays + now you have fewer nurses and doctors due to covid deaths amongst staff + people leaving the profession = less people are getting the treatment they require, less appointments going around, less resources for treatment (thinking here of cancers and other terminal like diseases).
You can also include suicdes from all the mental strain of lockdowns, redundancies and job losses bumping up the excess death rate.
So once you factor those in. Do your maths, and work out how many excess death are not from Covid + not from miss hospital treatments. Of those remain, now workout how many had the vaccines. Of those, double check if they are part of the missed hospital treatment cohort. Of those remaining, did they get vaccinated and die from car crashes/suicides etc?
Now you should have left the people who have die and been vaccinated and not die from anything else. Ok, now you can start see of the population total, what is that percentage. Now you can work out how lethal your vaccines are.
Once you've done the maths, done the statistical analysis and had it peer reviewed: report back.
- https://jamanetwork.…garbage
- There's plenty of reasons for the excess deaths, but it's undeniable COVID clogging the medical system and shutting down the economy didn't have a hand on it.garbage
- Plenty of people got denied treatment because our hospital systems were overwhelmed. COVID killed them because our healthcare system is shit.garbage
- But! I want to ask: What's your favorite meal?garbage
- yuekit0
People also need to go back and look at the timeline of events regarding lab leak....there's nothing at all notable about a US government agency speculating about this.
Some of the very first rumors about it coming from a lab came from the Trump administration. Mike Pompeo was particularly eager to push this idea into the media and popular opinion.
But what's the evidence for this? No one has been able to come up with any. In fact, many of the stories and rumors put out by the US government have ended up being wrong much like Iraqi WMDs. Even Chris Wallace of Fox News noticed this...
https://news.yahoo.com/chris-wal…
Now think about the irony of all these anti-establishment people whose entire identity revolves around their hatred for the establishment and MSM. All it took was one totally unsourced claim for one government department to convince you.
- I think the truth is that there's no definitive proof for either Lab Leak or Wet Market. I also think China does have the information to prove it but won't.Morning_star
- No definitive proof but a strong case can be made...check out this paper for instance.
https://www.science.…yuekit - The author of that study says 1 in 10,000 chance it didn't come from the market...so I'm actually underselling it lol. I try to keep an open mind, if somethingyuekit
- comes to light pointing to the lab I'll change my view. But I wonder if people have even seen these arguments - the media has done a terrible job explaining it.yuekit
- I'm undecided but i'm leaning towards Lab Leak particularly as... (from the link you posted)..."We also lack direct evidence of an intermediate animal...Morning_star
- ...animal infected with a SARS-CoV-2 progenitor virus either at the Huanan market or at a location connected to its supply chain, such as a farm. Additionally..Morning_star
- ...no line list of early COVID-19 cases is available.
Which suggests to me that whilst the epicentre of infection was the market, it's origin cannot be...Morning_star - ...linked to an animal vector.Morning_star
- But...very close to the market is a Lab that was studying SARS-CoV-2.Morning_star
- Right but considering they cleared the market and destroyed all the animals that were being sold there, you wouldn't expect to find any infected animals.yuekit
- What they do know is that animals that can carry SARS-CoV-2 and spread it to humans were being sold there at that time.yuekit
- That's an amazing coincidence if it didn't come from there. Anyway if you read the paper above I think it makes a pretty compelling case.yuekit
- your mental gymnastics are laughablezardoz
- The funny thing is there aren't really any mental gymnastics needed. From the scientific point of view, it's a very strong case for natural origin.yuekit
- I’ve read and re-read that article. There is no evidence that the virus originated at the Market, none. If anecdote and speculation is good enough for you...Morning_star
- ..that all good. But there’s as much, if not more for the ‘origin’ being the lab.Morning_star
- The earliest known cases were animal traders working at the market. The market was heavily infected with the positive samples clustered around animal cages,yuekit
- how is that not evidence? You have to look past what people like Matt Ridley are saying, they don't actually represent the most informed view.yuekit
- https://www.npr.org/…yuekit
- ^ This is a good article...scroll down a bit and you'll it runs through some of the most detailed evidence.yuekit
- Thanks. I'll give it a read. How are you getting to your conclusion that you can dismiss Ridley and the others?Morning_star
- It's a real puzzle. I can only conclude he's reading from a script.zardoz
- Why would you believe Matt Ridley? This is what he was saying a decade ago.
https://archive.is/M…yuekit - He's been wrong on so many things from climate change to the origins of AIDS, which he also thought came from a lab.yuekit
- Could you address the claims he and many others are making? Trying to discredit the people rather than showing evidence contrary to the claims has no...Morning_star
- ...value for me. The evidence for Lab or Market origins is not clear either way, and it may never be.Morning_star
- There are a lot of different claims they're making and it's not clear what it all adds up to. But just to take one, in the interview he did with Jordan Petersonyuekit
- Matt Ridley said that the furin cleavage site of SARS-2 is an "extra bit" that looks like it's been artificially inserted. This isn't actually what virologistsyuekit
- think. The furin cleavage site is really just a short sequence of amino acids, and it's found in many other coronaviruses.yuekit
- https://www.scienced…yuekit
- Also the furin cleavage site in SARS-2 isn't actually optimized very well.
https://www.pnas.org…yuekit - So when you start with a false assumption like that, it's easy to reach the wrong conclusion. And there are a bunch of other things like this, where he andyuekit
- Alina Chan say things that are partly true but leave out or misrepresent some part of it. And they've succeeded in confusing people -- like above you saidyuekit
- "very close to the market is a Lab that was studying SARS-CoV-2." That's not actually true either...the lab wasn't very close and there's no evidence they hadyuekit
- the virus or knew about it before the outbreak happened. But I can totally understand how you got that impression from listening to these people.yuekit
- BTW just now the viruses the WIV was studying have been released publicly...and they didn't have it.yuekit
- https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- Interesting but the list isn't comprehensive. In response, the following link is a good summary.Morning_star
- https://www.theweek.…Morning_star
- One of the most powerful weapons against China would be to get the world to hate them for the virus.ShenanigansTV
- Yeah that's interesting Morning_star but there isn't really any proof it came from the WIV. And it was an experiment was a known virus, MERS.yuekit
- Creating SARS-CoV-2 in a lab would have required finding a very similar predecessor virus. This predecessor would have been a very significant discovery.yuekit
- Because it would have been different from other SARS viruses known to date. The 2018 paper was a survey of SARS viruses, including about 50 from across China...yuekit
- And there's no mention at all of SARS-CoV-2 or anything like it. The closest is the RaTG13 virus, which they already released.yuekit
- You can say maybe this, maybe that but at some point the evidence starts to stack up. And it's really not on the side of lab leak.yuekit
- https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- ^ This French scientist is a good person to follow this topic. She went through actually analyzed in detail the claims being made by lab leak people. And turnsyuekit
- out a surprising number of them are not just BS, but easily debunked BS based on poor or amateur interpretation of the data.yuekit
- And this fooled major publications like the Washington Post, BBC and others.
https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- Rendle-11
Nairn, I asked you a question a week ago. I'm still waiting for a response ... I'll post it again in case you missed it...
Nairn. Let's suppose for a second that you're right, and the experimental injections have nothing to do with the excess death. Are you genuinely telling me that you believe that in 2020, when they closed hospitals for basically everything except covid, that the excess death was due to covid, as the government and media told us?
But that in 2022 and 2023, when hospitals are back open, you now believe that the excess death is because of general untreated illnesses?
And you genuinely have no inkling into how utterly, utterly idiotic that sounds?
- Nah, you're dull af.
Are you like this irl? Sad.Nairn - You give me all the attitude but as soon as I ask a logical question you're gone with the windRendle
- You literally only come on here to coo away pointlessly - no one other than you and three right wing trolls give a shit. Go waste someone else's time.Nairn
- What kind of a response is that? We're over ridiculing me. That's not an argument. Why don't you present your case?Rendle
- I blame myself from veering off my well-considered pigeon policy.Nairn
- I think it was my mistake to attribute some kind of intelligence to you and your ilk. I'm open to being proven wrong, as always..Rendle
- But when your only response is 'no ... Insert insult' then surely it's obvious as to who has a grasp on facts and who is in woeful denial...Rendle
- coo.Nairn
- Well thank you for confirming that you have no argument and you're so lacking in self awareness and development that you can't even acknowledge itRendle
- I'm genuinely astounded. I actually attributed more respect towards you than you deserve. My mistake.Rendle
- coo.Nairn
- I'm still waiting on that tomato response.palimpsest
- You're not genuinely astounded. This exchange couldn't be more predictable. It's tired. You're phoning it in, set. You've gone stale.Fax_Benson
- I answered the tomato question!Continuity
- Ignore palimpsest, it's not human.Nairn
- https://nyc3.digital…palimpsest
- WTF, palimp. I went out of my way to 'do my own research' on that fucking tomato, and here you are ignoring my efforts.
Last time I do anything for you. :(Continuity - >:(
https://i.imgur.com/…
;)Continuity - Sorry ,but it's all still a lie if it hasn't been confirmed by Rendle.palimpsest
- Pfffft. Yeah, that's right. Conty is fake news.Continuity
- This stupid fuck actually thinks he won some argument because Nairn isn’t arguing. lol.monospaced
- Do you think “they” would close hospitals if it wasn’t real? Do you know how utterly stupid you sound implying this? Not even and “inkling” of reason rendle.monospaced
- I mean. The very fact there is no “they” and that “they” didn’t tell hospitals what to do should be enough to cause you to think. Fucking moron.monospaced
- Rendle, just think about it.shapesalad
- @Rendle, by definition, “excess death” is the count of mortality that cannot be attributed to expected causes. It is a barometer of unexpected circumstances...ptrdo
- ...Virtually every death with/of COVID will count as excess mortality because COVID does not factor into the metrics of previous years (when COVID didn't exist)...ptrdo
- ...Also, shutdowns and protocols depressed mortality rates because these were unprecedented too. Example: when people stayed home, there were fewer accidents...ptrdo
- ...Conjecture about what “caused” excess mortality misses the point. SOMETHING did, but this is only a trigger to find out what, and that happens in due course...ptrdo
- ...The fact of the matter is that COVID exacerbates chronic conditions, provoking them to become acute. How and why will take years, even decades, to determine...ptrdo
- ...In the meantime, “excess mortality” is not an answer but a question. Guess all you like, but guessing is easy, science is not.ptrdo
- @ptrdo
There are no excess deaths because everyone vaccinated is no longer human.
Therefore the vaccine is 100% safe for humans.
Your reasoning is invalid.palimpsest - I just asked a simple question and not one person was able to answer. I guess the TV didn't give you the answer lolRendle
- Only Continuity answered the tomato question.
I'm still waiting.palimpsest - Why don't you answer the question in this post? You little dim witted half brained empty headed low testosterone imp.Rendle
- cooNairn
- Geezer. Let's just talk for a second on a rational level. Why have you ignored my question? If you can't answer, do you not question your stance on this?Rendle
- I'm going on the assumption that there is at least a shred of independent thought left inside that cannister of yours.Rendle
- You do realise simply responding with 'coo' makes you look like a completely clueless moron with no stance? Just checkingRendle
- Prove me wrong or prove you're a moron. It's basically that simple. Fuck me, this place is a cess pit. I can handle it maybe once a fortnight.Rendle
- I mean can you imagine if you were in a debate, maybe in Oxford, and your only response was 'you're dull af'Rendle
- and then when pushed further you're response was 'coo'? You'd be laughed out of the room. Prove me wrong that you're not a complete imbecile. Please.Rendle
- You thing with me is that in ready to be proved wrong. Always. That's what makes me smarter. If you can't prove me wrong, you're wrong..Rendle
- Do you understand?Rendle
- Answer my original question and prove me wrong, Nairn...Rendle
- I would love it if we could have a sensible debate, but it seems you're completely incapable of anything other than pathetic retorts and deflection?Rendle
- A man who can't debate his beliefs is a man worth ignoring.Rendle
- Come on Nairn, this is your moment to prove how much of a fool I am..... Go...Rendle
- 'Coo'?Nairn
- I'm genuinely astounded by how readily you're happy to make yourself look like a fool. To think I actually sort of respected you at one point.Rendle
- I guess it's because you're surrounded by other fools so you think they may jump in and defend you. No, you look like a clueless fool.Rendle
- I thought we may just have a conversation about what I said but nope, turns out you're a brainless moron that can't defend his own belief systemRendle
- CooNairn
- Coo. Coo.
Coo.Nairn - Well I can scratch you off as a dumb cunt without a single intelligent response. At least now I know, I guess.Rendle
- Coo.Nairn
- Nah, you're dull af.
- yuekit6
- Good video showing how Dr. John Campbell lied, while laughing his way to the bank.yuekit
- Don't hate the grifter...hate the swindler!utopian
- I find it ironic most conspiracists say "follow the money" when "doing their own research" but don't apply same logic to their sourcesdee-dubs
- Or maybe Yuekit, it's just another video cherry picking content, trying to cash in on Campbells audience. ;)Morning_star
- this is proof positive that you guys are complete morons. Campbell is an educator who wrote educational manuals thicker than "War&Peace".pr2
- He's boring, suburban britain bore of a man... how is anyone able to watch his videos for more than 5 seconds?shapesalad
- but of course, in your infantile mind, he is wrong, but a guy on the internet, with a cartoon character as his headshot, is right. of course children.pr2
- maybe he wrote it on really heavy weight paper. Maybe he etched it onto stone.Fax_Benson
- Sorry guys, but Campbell lied, people died.yuekit
- John Campbell when the YouTube earnings deposited to his account: "Well hello there.. a very warm welcome to you"yuekit
- you guys should subscribe to Disney+, it has lots of cartoons that will not go over your heads.pr2
- Who died yeukit? Or is it a conspiracy you're attempting to promote in order to demonise Campbell. Where is the science behind your claim?Morning_star
- Morningstar I feel like I've written about a thousand notes on this topic by now :) ...it's really summarized quite well in the video.yuekit
- No it isn't. You've said that Campbell, Rogan, Weinstein are responsible for people dying and that's a serious claim. By your own standards, it shouldn't...Morning_star
- ...be too difficult to find the supporting credible analysis and facts. So where are they?
My point is that your claims of unnecessary deaths and financial...Morning_star - ...benefits are also easily placed at the feet of Fauci and the official/government Covid response. Why aren't you criticising that too?Morning_star
- Not sure what you mean, I’ve posted lots of criticism of governments in this thread from USA to China.yuekit
- It’s a pretty straightforward argument, over a third of deaths in USA, so over a third of a million people, are estimated to have died because they weren’tyuekit
- vaccinated. And the same is true almost everywhere, unvaccinated make up a disproportionate percentage of the millions who died.yuekit
- There was even a study showing how excess deaths were 10% higher in Republican-voting counties, which had a lower vaccination rate.yuekit
- Campbell, Weinstein, Rogan, Malone etc are misleading their audience into thinking vaccines are dangerous when they aren’t.yuekit
- They’re telling us you were that when you get COVID you should take drugs that don’t actually do anything.yuekit
- No they're not. If you listen to Weinstien he goes a long way to ensure that his listeners understand the vaccines are good. He has questions about the...Morning_star
- And because sensationalist content drives clicks, these are now the most popular “science communicators” on the internet. You don’t see a problem with that?yuekit
- ...government advice, the vaccine roll-out, the origins of the virus. The resolution you are examining these peoples output at is not high enough. Not one of...Morning_star
- ...them has called for people not to get jabbed. If you are summarising their output as anti-vax you are contributing to the problem.Morning_star
- Haha you have to be kidding man...do you listen to Weinstein’s show?yuekit
- "You don't see a problem with that"... No. If people interpret the content without considering other sources and perspectives then they're idiots.Morning_star
- https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- ‘If you listen to Weinstien he goes a long way to ensure that his listeners understand the vaccines are good’yuekit
- I now see you must be talking about a different guy, Bret Weinstien.yuekit
- Tweets FFS. This is exactly my point, the resolution you are looking at this is too low.Morning_star
- at least you can trust he will turn around once the picture starts to be more precise.+it‘s necessary to be able to express this opinions in the open.uan
- fucking debate me Morning_star, debate and fact me until i fucking FART!face_melter
- I doubt it uan :) I agree they shouldn't be censored or anything but it's worth pointing out that they're wrong.yuekit
- I always wondered what idiot would take advice from a nurse with absolutely NO degree and or advanced studies in immunology or infectious diseases.utopian
- I don't think anyone here is an idiot but Morning_star I'm confused about why you would defend these people so much, while at the same time not accuratelyyuekit
- describing what they're saying. It's well-known that Bret Weinstein has been fear-mongering about vaccines about years now.yuekit
- The resolution isn't high enough... you're always alluding to some greater complexity but you never produce any examples. Look at the tweets I posted, theyyuekit
- were written by Weinstein himself. How is it consistent he'd say "The design of the “vaccines” was not safe—not even in principle" but also go get vaccinated??yuekit
- If by 'fearmongering' you mean pointing out potential inadequacies and concerns about the development of the vaccines, the testing periods and the fast-track..Morning_star
- ...approach by drug companies, then I suppose you could interpret it as such but that isn't a particularly charitable.Morning_star
- I was listening to the interview he did with Unherd and I can see why people like his show, he's very eloquent and a good talker. But ultimately I don't thinkyuekit
- the things he's saying about the vaccines are true, so that's why I said fear-mongering.yuekit
- Like this for instance
https://www.reuters.…yuekit - When you asked "how is it consistent..." he gave an articulate logical response in the Unherd interview. I find no inconsistency in what he says. In essence...Morning_star
- ...he says vaccines are good and important for public health BUT there are many, many questions surrounding the effectiveness, it's creation and the motives ofMorning_star
- ...big pharma with regard to Covid vaccine.
I understand your perspective about Weinstein, Campbell etc trying to maximise income from their claims...Morning_star - ...However, just because income is one facet for these folk, doesn't mean that the claims aren't worth paying attention to. That is the Pharma industries...Morning_star
- ..entire MO. And by the looks of things, Fauci too. Do we ignore everything they say?Morning_star
- I think you're still soft-pedaling how insane Bret Weinstein is. At one point he called for stopping all vaccination and giving everyone in the world ivermectinyuekit
- for a month. I don't think this would have turned out very well :)yuekit
- There are even cases you can point to where it looks like his viewers took his advice and then died of COVID.yuekit
- https://yurideigin.m…yuekit
- I'm not pro censorship but even in a shithole country like USA you would have thought there's at least some marginal social responsibility when you have anyuekit
- audience of millions and you're presenting yourself as an expert, during a pandemic.yuekit
- The fact that Weinstein comes across as thoughtful and reasonable just makes it weirder that he's misleading his audience like that. But all the stuff it talksyuekit
- about in that Medium post above seems to be true.yuekit
- Yuekit, how much have the pharmaceutical industry made from this? You didn't answer my questionRendle
- You denied it when someone asked you if you monetary benefit had anything to do with it, yet you're still making this pointRendle
- Tell us how much the vaccine companies have made. And then do the research into how much governments are invested in said companies...Rendle
- You're talking about profit of millions compared to billions and somehow you think this backs up your stance? Ludicrous is an understatementRendle
- I don't think people should automatically trust pharma companies either. They're motivated to make money and sell as many drugs as possible. But this technologyyuekit
- of mRNA vaccines has been studied by scientists around the world for years, it's been given to billions of people at this point. The hysteria over the vaccinesyuekit
- doesn't seem to be justified in this case...so you start to wonder why are these "online experts" pushing it so much?yuekit
- Why are they making really dumb mistakes like reading a chart wrong or misrepresenting numbers and not correcting themselves even when it's pointed out?yuekit
- You can't read their mind but you look at what they're doing, then that they're making millions of it and it doesn't seem like rocket science that money mightyuekit
- be a motivating factor.yuekit
- @yeukit By what rationale do you dismiss Weinstein as insane? Why do you assume what Medium says is true? Do all public health policies surrounding covid...Morning_star
- ...make sense? You cherry pick and exaggerate out of context content as examples of why we should dismiss perspectives that are contrary to your ...Morning_star
- ...perceived understanding. How am i 'Soft peddling'? I suggest that if you took the time to listen to what Weinstein says in context and at a longform...Morning_star
- ...resolution, you would realise many of the 'insane' opinions are cherry picked soundbites designed to discredit by content providers who are also looking...Morning_star
- ...to get those clicks and dollars. It's a machine, and one that isn't concerned with truth.Morning_star
- I'm saying everything he's ever said is bad but on some key issues like vaccines, it seems obvious Weinstein is wrong. The people criticizing him BTW includeyuekit
- some of his former associates like Yuri Deigin the author of that Medium post, Sam Harris, Claire Lehmann, David Fuller who made some videos about it, evenyuekit
- Eric Weinstein basically said he was wrong about ivermectin :) Reuters has written articles fact checking him. So I'm not exactly going out on a limb here inyuekit
- saying he's wrong about some of these issues. Everyone's wrong from time to time but the disturbing part is that even after this is pointed out Weinsteinyuekit
- doesn't correct himself, even when he made some obvious mistake, but instead just goes on pretending he was right.yuekit
- Sorry, should have started "I'm *not saying..."yuekit
- It's Monday...it's all good :)Morning_star
- "Wrong about some of these issues"...I have no problem with your assessment but it's 'some', not all. And in his latest podcast he doubles down on his opinion..Morning_star
- ...about Ivermectin. He spent some time criticising the meta analysis and data sets saying that 'sponsors' of the analysis had excluded valid data that...Morning_star
- ...supports Ivermectin effectiveness. Maybe it's true, maybe Pharma had a vested interest in suppressing Ivermectin effectiveness, maybe he just can't let it...Morning_star
- ...go and he's deluded BUT every time he has been provably wrong he has corrected his view. I think his perspective is worth considering in all this noise.Morning_star
- How would it even work for big pharma to suppress ivermectin? Are the months-long studies on ivermectin faked? Are American pharma companies able to get everyyuekit
- scientist and government in the world to go along with their coverup? I realize you only said maybe it's true but this just doesn't seem realistic at all.yuekit
- Slightly off topic but it's relevant. Are you aware of the story of Oxycontin and the Sackler family? It's worth considering how much money was at stake and...Morning_star
- ...the tactics they used to ensure the drug was prescribed? It's eye opening. Pharma are not about peoples health, they are for profit. It wouldn't surprise....Morning_star
- ...me if something like that happened on a global scale with Pfizer, AZ etc getting together to muddy the waters any existing drug that's potentially...Morning_star
- ...effective in the treatment of Covid. I'm not say that IS what happened but Pharma have a very dark history of manipulation and coercion.Morning_star
- I think it's sensible to listen to those who can articulate objections and concerns with some credibility.Morning_star
- It would surprise me if it happened on a global scale :) The opiod story shows that you can't just trust pharma companies, but on the other hand this wasn't ayuekit
- situation where they totally falsified the science. And people are still using opioids obviously, it's more that they marketed them way too aggressively.yuekit
- And this happened only in one country, and the people behind it were eventually prosecuted and sent to prison, by the US government.yuekit
- So when you look at the details this actually goes against the narrative that pharma companies are more powerful than governments and could hide a miracle cureyuekit
- from the world, as though countries would defer to a US company's need to make profits rather than want to end the pandemic. Another hole in this narrativeyuekit
- is that many countries and politicians did promote and try to treat people with drugs like ivermectin and HCQ, they just didn't work.yuekit
- So yes it's good to ask questions and hold companies and government accountable...but not if it's made up. These days you'll see a lot of guys like Weinsteinyuekit
- who claim to have uncovered all these conspiracies and things "they" don't want you to know... but almost all the time, they are the ones BSing you.yuekit
- I wouldn't say bullshitting. Anomaly hunting is what they do and use them as a lens to tarnish government/medical/p... claims. It's what Rendle does :)...Morning_star
- ...Those anomalies are often real and measurable and raise questions that should be discussed. Those anomalies are not reasons to dismiss global health policy..Morning_star
- ... 'en masse'. What I find irritating is the "deadly horse dewormer" type, outrage bullshit that is demonstrably inaccurate. With regard to the Governments...Morning_star
- ...approach to partnering with big Pharma, they will have been absolutely rinsed of cash. The panic measures taken by Govs to ensure huge pots of cash are...Morning_star
- ...available to take steps to curtail Covid was insane. In the UK there were billions of pounds worth of PPE contracts given to associates and 'friends' to...Morning_star
- ...deliver protective masks etc for frontline workers. https://www.nhsforsa…Morning_star
- Governments and business partnerships are corrupt, exploitative and not good value for the tax payers...ever. Pharma are in it for the profit NOT the...Morning_star
- ...wellbeing of the citizenry. Weinstein, Campbell etc whilst they have their faults cannot be rejected without consideration. To claim the case is closed...Morning_star
- ...with regard to existing drug therapies and their effectiveness in the treatment of Covid is just not the case.Morning_star
- Here's an example of what looks like someone misleading his followers on purpose. https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- So yeah totally agree with your point about anomaly hunting and people drawing wrong conclusions, but what's new are all these online "experts" who are actuallyyuekit
- pushing people in that direction. Notice how Steve Kirsh takes something based on a real story but then adds made-up rumors and puts a false spin on it.yuekit
- So while you'd like to believe it's just a bunch of conspiracy theorists asking questions, unfortunately in many cases these are more like the opioid peddlersyuekit
- in your example. Some genuinely deranged people who seem to be cynically misleading their followers on purpose, either for clout or money.yuekit
- He seems like an idiot.Morning_star
- I mean look at this guy's face after all :)
https://pbs.twimg.co…yuekit - Anyway sorry to babble on endlessly, it's a topic that interests me... online disinfo, propaganda etcyuekit
- I get you point about those jumping on the bandwagon create more unhelpful noise in the discussion. However, both Campbell and Weistein have been...Morning_star
- ...commentating from the start and like it or not both have addressed their perspectives when they've been wrong.Morning_star
- No need to apologise, thanks for your time and perspective. I'm glad we can be cordial You're right, truth and disinfo in media is fascinating.Morning_star
- "both have addressed their perspectives when they've been wrong."
This goes back to the video I posted at the beginning... no they haven't unfortunately.yuekit - What they've done is create the appearance of responding to criticism, which is almost worse in a way and part of what's so confusing about all this :)yuekit
- BTW Steve Kirsch, the guy you said was an idiot... is also the co-inventor of the optical mouse and founded a bunch of tech companies like Infoseek. So why isyuekit
- he peddling this obviously nonsense stuff about vaccines? Who knows... people are lunatics apparently :)yuekit
- If this many unvaccinated died the media would have a ticking number on the top corner 24 hours a day like they did with covidRendle
- It's only the vaccinated that are dying in droves so they're silent. Imagine going to the lengths to try and prove that this random guy is lying...Rendle
- ... But totally giving the corporations making billions from this a pass. You are truly a minion devoid of independent thought or critical analysis.Rendle
- There's really no discussing with you people. You'll just believe whatever the mainstream is telling you, regardless of facts or data.Rendle
- Basically humanity has split into two. The brain dead zombies that believe the government and the corporations making billions...Rendle
- ... and the people that can actually apply independent thought and critical analysis and really see what's going on. There's no discussion between the two.Rendle
- This is why I no longer come here. First time I've been back in a few weeks. It's utterly fruitless.Rendle
- All we can really do at this stage is wish you all the best and move on.Rendle
- lol, FFS set there's no need to take it seriously. I've said many times I've got nothing against you. But just ask yourself, has any evidence emerged sinceyuekit
- we last discussed this? If there was something you could point to you wouldn't need all these grandiose statements about humanity splitting int two.yuekit
- Check back in a year and I'm confident it will be the same...fear mongering stories and rumors (probably less as people lose interest) but never any proof.yuekit
- At some point you need to grapple with this contradiction. And the simplest explanation unfortunately is that blokes like John Campbell are scamming you,yuekit
- while laughing their way to the bank.yuekit
- So you think because he's making a few million he must be lying and scamming?Rendle
- ... but the pharmaceutical companies that are making BILLIONS are definitely telling the truth? LOLRendle
- You're so fucking delusional and hilarious that I'm just going to treat you like child from now on and patronise you for your idiocy. Bless you.Rendle
- sted5
Lab Leak Most Likely Origin of Covid-19 Pandemic, Energy Department Now Says
U.S. agency’s revised assessment is based on new intelligence
- Of course....utopian
- No kiddingGnash
- great timingfadein11
- crikey, another conspiracy theory turns out to be true.zardoz
- haters gonna hateApeRobot
- until it is proven, it remains a theory.sted
- Well, it's certainly not the least likely origin.microkorg
- https://i.kym-cdn.co…YakuZoku
- when 'combatting disinformation' means censoring the truth.hotroddy
- the obsession with its origin has become so weird and tribalistic I've pretty much tuned out.inteliboy
- a pandemic that killed millions, shut down the economy, created a recession, and possibly intentionally weaponized by Chinahotroddy
- understanding the root cause is 'tribalistic' or politically inconvenient?hotroddy
- Huh? I said none of that. The entire conversation about C19 has become political. Or havent you noticed?inteliboy
- and you're willing to stick your head in the sand because it's political?hotroddy
- Energy department?pango
- same department where 'they' works:
https://s.yimg.com/n…hotroddy - https://a57.foxnews.…hotroddy
- A previously classified energy dept report, (now apparently declassified), stat “...with ‘low confidence’ that it is plausible...” COVID originated from a lab leak...ptrdo
- ...Big whup. What else is new? This “story” will go around the world before the truth gets its shoes on...ptrdo
- ...The fact of the matter is that there is no new evidence, the report is from a long while ago, and even if the theory were true, it would not matter...ptrdo
- ...A pathogen is a pathogen regardless of origin, and if that is from experimentation, well then, that is just one more place they can come from...ptrdo
- ...There are the countless other possible origins for a pathogen—as many possibilities as there are stars in the sky.ptrdo
- +1 ptrdoContinuity
- https://www.youtube.… flippin monkeys trash us allneverscared
- the biggest monkeys are the anti-vax who think its political just waiting for another origin day after day so that they can post their were right...neverscared
- well ..puny human creatures who can´t get their kick otherwise..neverscared
- lets just move onmilfhunter
- I dont feel like moving on.zardoz
- They can't get their dick hard if it's not lab leakpango
- Meh, read my posts below. Of course it's possible it came from lab but people are just a little too eager to believe it like pango said.yuekit
- what is the difference if it came from a wet market or science lab? Is one more offensive than the other?hotroddy
- Saying it's from wet market is actually more offensive (and CCP being the offender). There are thousand of wet market and only ones in China dealing exotic animpango
- ... has virus problem. Caused by CCP's loosening policies on exotic animal trades. But none of you fuckers will read the details.pango
- So ya. if we're talking about which one is least offensive. It's actually the lab leak. Because fuck CCP and their incompetence.pango
- But sadly it's actually more likely to be from wet market.pango
- Pango, I think the untold implication with the 'lab leak', is the insinuation on the part of its proponents that the CCP was busy creating a biological weaponContinuity
- So, I suppose the CCP would find that more offensive than the wet market theory.Continuity
- Ya CCP are corrupt incompetent fuckspango
- I hope the next world-shattering deadly virus comes out of Isreal or Iceland. That way we can investigate w/o causing racist sensitivity.hotroddy
- Nahh it's kind of tough for you.pango
- your right. the next deadly virus won't come from europehotroddy
- or middle easthotroddy
- hydro749
spotted Rendle..
- cant be him ... he is dickless...neverscared
- T-shirt of the daymilfhunter
- Yes, it's true. This man has no dickcrazyprick
