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  • Gardener3

    turns out the vaccine also protects against car crashes!

    https://www.amjmed.com/article/S…

  • sofas1

    ‘Disposable face masks may stop Covid-19 but also cause lung damage’
    https://www.koreabiomed.com/news…

    • Bonus.PhanLo
    • To sum up the abstract this is based on: If you reuse the one-use masks, they physically begin to break down and you inhale microplastics.garbage
    • Which I thought was pretty duh, but also not everyone can afford N95s or a washable cloth mask that takes filters.garbage
    • https://particleandf…garbage
  • PhanLo8

  • Gardener14

  • yuekit-1

    The next pandemic: Marburg?

    A cousin of Ebola, Marburg can kill nine out of ten people it infects, and international travel has taken it from Africa to Europe twice in the past 40 years. The virus has just hit Equatorial Guinea for the first time ever – what does this mean for the rest of the world?

    Case fatality rate: Marburg is one of the deadliest viruses we know of, killing as many as 88% people it infects.

    Incubation period: The incubation varies from just two days to up to 21 days, though some studies have suggested the virus can incubate for as long as 26 days.

    Symptoms: Marburg virus begins with a fever, severe headache and muscle pains. This is often followed by watery diarrhoea, stomach pain, nausea and vomiting, accompanied by extreme exhaustion and lethargy. Many people go on to develop severe viral haemorrhagic fever, and in severe cases have blood in their vomit and faeces, and may bleed from their nose, gums and vagina. The onslaught of the virus is so extreme that most people die 8-9 days after infection, often because of extreme loss of blood.

    https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswor…

    8 confirmed cases in Tanzania, 161 contact being monitored...

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2…

    • Looking forward to seeing who still says I'll never wear a mask, I'll never take a vaccine when something like this hits.yuekit
    • It will really separate the serious anti-vaxxers from the posersyuekit
    • looking forward to seeing you in a full-face respiratorhotroddy
    • You're wishing for my death? Seems a bit over the top hotroddy hahayuekit
    • I'm not wishing death on the anti-vaxxers, I tried to change their mind. But their idiocy does put a lot of people at risk.yuekit
    • HotKnobby's pure ignorance & vitreal has no bounds.utopian
    • No youkit, I would never wish your death. Just wondering when you're going all in on this? https://www.carlroth…hotroddy
    • ^ https://sprayez.com/…hotroddy
    • Right. Fuck the FFP masks. Full-on hazmat suit for me, thx.Continuity
    • At least it'll be a short pandemic. There's that.zardoz
    • flol true!Continuity
    • I've seen TWD, I know what happens nextGardener
    • It's not very contagious and requires contact with infected fluids. Unless that changes, not a massive concern.ETM
    • A virus that kills the host won't spread much. Potentially devatating, sure... but Covid's subtlety was its successProjectile
    • Trolls be trollin'toemaas
    • hey it's just common food poisoning. Spreading 6g is more danjerousBeeswax
  • neverscared0

    Covid booster vaccine to be offered to millions in England next week
    Care home residents will be first to receive spring top-up jab as infections in England hit 2023 high

    Millions of people in England will be offered a Covid booster jab next week, health officials have announced, as recent estimates show infections have climbed to their highest level this year.

    Care home residents will be the first to receive the spring Covid-19 booster vaccine from Monday, with millions more people invited to book an appointment from Wednesday.

  • neverscared0

    NR.66

    Although the USA played a leading role in developing effective vaccines against COVID-19 and had an ample and early supply of doses, it nevertheless ranks 66th among countries and territories globally in terms of the proportion of residents who have completed their initial vaccine sequence.2 The USA has performed poorly, despite having (by most measures) the largest economy, spending the most on health care,3 and, before the emergence of SARS-CoV-2, having been rated the best prepared for a pandemic out of 195 nations considered.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journa…

    • kinda not surprising .. when pres. talks about a democratic hoax and drinking bleach....neverscared
    • Thanks Floridamonospaced
    • You Septics are funny: Who can we blame?, Trump, oh and Florida. Well, that's sorted then.Morning_star
    • It’s the fucking ChristianGnash
    • do you have no sense of humor?monospaced
    • That was humour?Morning_star
    • Heh, an effective vaccine that doesnt prevent infection or transmission.zardoz
    • And that's cost the US economy an estimated $150bn and 300K excess deathszardoz
    • https://twitter.com/…zardoz
    • Do you guys still believe the vaccines killed lots of people just because conservative media says so?yuekit
    • Don't you think there would be some evidence by now if this was really happening?yuekit
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  • palimpsest9


    Me walking into QBN with new Covid information.

    • Well can you share it?grafician
    • LolGnash
    • Those are some alpha eyebrows.Akagiyama
    • Um, we prefer the term "power brows".garbage
    • @grafician: DYOR, remember?hans_glib
    • Can we talk for a moment the length — or, rather, lack thereof — of your tie, pali?Continuity
    • I don't need to compensate.palimpsest
    • I know. No-one's implying anything about your manhood.
      But, only down to your navel?
      Continuity
    • It's so I can touch tips.palimpsest
    • Tie too short, would not bangdrgs
    • Why are they over exposing this poor dude.pango
    • where's his wedding band?Krassy
    • bad hip replacement, NHS?fadein11
    • Can't afford clothes that fit?i_monk
    • @hans DYOR Idk DIOR? or?grafician
    • Btw I was the first to upvote this :* @paligrafician
    • Still waiting on the info brografician
    • Grab a chair.palimpsest
    • Tomatoes involved?!
      Or whatever the fuss was about in this thread last time?
      grafician
    • @graf: Do Your Own Researchhans_glib
    • @hans ah damn ofc you're right!grafician
  • Morning_star-3

    @yuekit You can't simply reject this...

    **************
    Starting in at least 2016 – and with no indication of a stop prior to the COVID-19 outbreak – WIV researchers conducted experiments involving RaTG13, the bat coronavirus identified by the WIV in January 2020 as its closest sample to SARS-CoV-2 (96.2% similar). The WIV became a focal point for international coronavirus research after the 2003 SARS outbreak and has since studied animals including mice, bats, and pangolins.

    The WIV has a published record of conducting “gain-of-function” research to engineer chimeric viruses. But the WIV has not been transparent or consistent about its record of studying viruses most similar to the COVID-19 virus, including “RaTG13,” which it sampled from a cave in Yunnan Province in 2013 after several miners died of SARS-like illness.

    WHO investigators must have access to the records of the WIV’s work on bat and other coronaviruses before the COVID-19 outbreak. As part of a thorough inquiry, they must have a full accounting of why the WIV altered and then removed online records of its work with RaTG13 and other viruses.

    **************

    I understand that there's not conclusive evidence either way but your insistence that it can't be the WIV is perplexing. You are essentially claiming that your speculation is better than any other speculation. It's all speculation. And, until (if ever) China decide to co-operate it's unlikely we'll know the truth. I can't see how you can reject one in favour of the other.

    • These are allegations from Mike Pompeo.
      https://2017-2021.st…
      yuekit
    • The Trump admin put out a lot of rumors about the lab, very few of which are true. So in this case...the RaTG13 virus they're talking about can't possibly beyuekit
    • turned into SARS-CoV-2, it's too genetically different.yuekit
    • This would be like trying to engineer a human in a lab directly from a monkey and leaving out all the actual evolution.yuekit
    • So yea there's just an ocean of BS out there on this topic, even coming from the government.yuekit
    • This is what's most remarkable about the lab leak story...not the actual lab leak but how people have managed to confuse and mislead the public through thingsyuekit
    • that sound like they're true but are wrong on some very complex technical point that undermines the whole thing.yuekit
    • That's not the point. There is information that hasn't been made available from the WIV. Given that they were collecting and studying SARS like viruses from...Morning_star
    • ...various locations throughout China which are known to jump to humans, a WIV origin can't be discounted. Or do you know something different?Morning_star
    • There are a lot of things that can't be discounted but it doesn't mean you put them on the same level as something there's hard evidence for.yuekit
    • Hard evidence? Have i missed something here. You have hard evidence that an animal from the Wet Market tested positive for SARS-CoV-2?Morning_star
    • This is where I think you're going astray...the standard of evidence is not "this thing is already 100% proven, and if it's not 100% then it's just as likelyyuekit
    • as anything else."yuekit
    • Nothing is ever proven in science, it's all about likelihood and accumulating evidence. Even if they found an infected animal you could still make some weirdyuekit
    • argument (not saying you specifically but people probably would) that it escaped from the lab and walked across the city, something like that :)yuekit
    • But that would rightfully be seen as idiotic. Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? No.yuekit
    • And in spite of what you seem to think there's a lot of evidence for zoonotic origin, summarized here...
      https://i.imgur.com/…
      yuekit
    • I understand, but no. It's more like: The origin of SARS-CoV-2 'could' be the Wet Market because we have existing examples in nature that show similar ...Morning_star
    • ...progress from animal to human and the wet market sold those animals but we have no 'hard' evidence that this was the case. The virus 'could' have come from..Morning_star
    • ...the WIV but the evidence to prove either way has been suppressed by the Chinese Government.

      I think the potential WIV origin has merit because the info...
      Morning_star
    • Samples at the market are hard evidence. The CCP clearing out the animals means the failure to find the original infected animal is...what you'd expect.yuekit
    • ...has been suppressed. Why would China block access to data that could prove it wasn't the WIV?Morning_star
    • But that's not all there is to it. People who actually know about this stuff will point out SARS-CoV-2 isn't at all what you'd predict for an engineered virus.yuekit
    • When they do experiments virologists almost always use a "template" similar to how a web developer might use a framework. So the base expectationyuekit
    • is actually that it would be easy to tell it came from the lab.yuekit
    • Another point is there are two different lineages of the virus at the market from the beginning that almost certainly didn't evolve from each other.yuekit
    • They are totally separate, different versions of SARS-CoV-2 that when you look at the genetic evolution, it's difficult to see how one evolved from the other.yuekit
    • That's very difficult to explain from a lab leak but exactly what you'd expect if there was zoonotic spillover from a group of animals.yuekit
  • grafician-3

    "#UPDATE President Joe Biden has signed into law a bill requiring the release of intelligence materials on potential links between the outbreak of the Covid pandemic and a laboratory in the Chinese city of Wuhan."

    • The bad guy from Dallas Buyer's Club better run!MondoMorphic
    • he needs a law to gather intelligence from his own agencies?monospaced
    • oh, it's just a bill requiring the federal agencies to declassify the intel, I seemonospaced
    • I remember the House and Senate unanimously passed this weeks ago. Good on him.monospaced
  • yuekit1

    A new analysis of genetic samples from China appears to link the pandemic’s origin to a specific animal...

    https://www.theatlantic.com/scie…

    • This may be the final nail in the coffin of the lab leak theory. I'm disappointed that you guys doubted me :)yuekit
    • The evidence by now strongly points to it spilling over to humans at the market from raccoon dogs, which is the #1 animal in the world used in the fur industry.yuekit
    • lab animals are the cutest :)utopian
    • Why blame scientists? It never made sense. Just a reboot of Climategate and other conspiracy theories.yuekit
    • Have you read the article Yuekit?

      "The findings don’t rule out the possibility that other animals may have been carrying SARS-CoV-2 at Huanan. ...
      Morning_star
    • Raccoon dogs, if they were infected, may not even be the creatures who passed the pathogen on to us."Morning_star
    • In every paragraph or two the article goes to great lengths to say that this isn't, by any means, a smoking gun.Morning_star
    • Of course, but it's about looking at the overall evidence. At this point we'd be expected to believe a virus leaks from a lab and just incidentally ends up atyuekit
    • market selling the exact species of animals involved in the SARS-1 outbreak AND now we find out the animals were likely infected..yuekit
    • ...but we're meant to believe it didn't come from there? Give me a break hahayuekit
    • People are just desperate to keep this narrative of lab leak that they've bought into alive. But look at the actual evidence, does any of it support that? No.yuekit
    • I'm also slightly hurt Morning_star by your suggestion that I don't properly understand the article :) I've been following this topic for a long time...yuekit
    • And something that's quite funny is that the French scientist who made this discovery credited me at one point for helping point her in the right direction.yuekit
    • But this discovery, assuming it holds up, is very strong evidence of natural origin. Just because you can hypothetically imagine some deus ex machina series ofyuekit
    • events that get it from the lab to infecting animals at the market doesn't mean that's a likely possibility at all. Science is ultimately all about likelihood.yuekit
    • Yes, an animal DID start the pandemic. It's name? Anthony Fauci.zardoz
    • lolyuekit
    • "Science is ultimately about likelihood"...Nah, that's insurance and gambling ;) In all seriousness, you make it sound like a democratic process...Morning_star
    • It's a systematic methodology based on evidence. And, in this case the evidence isn't conclusive. I guess that the likelihood of the Wet Market origin may...Morning_star
    • ..be the front running theory but Lab Leak is still in the race and can't be brushed aside.Morning_star
    • but trump said covid is a democratic hoax....neverscared
    • Like a raccoon dog with a bone. LolGnash
    • Some Chinese bloke fucked a raccoon?crazyprick
    • The report hasn't been released yet. The Chinese report from 2022 spoke about the animal swabs not containing COVID DNA.Jrdntnnr
    • This report is about the environmental swabs. In the NYT article, they say human DNA, COVID and that of animals (plural) was found in themJrdntnnr
    • 2001 I was in at a CL2 lab in central London just after a professor was reprimanded for walking around with a unsecured vial of antibiotic resistant botulinumJrdntnnr
    • People are dumbJrdntnnr
    • ^ exactlyGnash
    • Sure of course a lab accident can happen, but it’s just weird how people have ignored that the first SARS-2 cluster in the world was at an animal market..yuekit
    • Selling the exact same species that were found infected during the SARS-1 outbreak (raccoon dogs and civets)yuekit
    • @yuekit this still isn't strong evidence. The samples were environmental. The samples contained DNA of multiple animals and humans.Jrdntnnr
    • If I took samples in my house in March 2021, you'd find COVID, dog, cat, and human DNA. It's like taking that and saying it came from the cats.Jrdntnnr
    • Also, the report isn't out yet. Why are they taking it as evidence? Preprint? No. Peer review? Obviously not.Jrdntnnr
    • @yuekit Whilst the Wet Market was the epicentre of the outbreak, there is no evidence that it was the origin. As you’ve rightly..Morning_star
    • ...pointed out to me on several occasions, the definitive evidence showing what/where/how of the virus origin is so far circumstantial and speculative.Morning_star
    • So much for the ‘final nail in the coffin’Gnash
    • @Jrdntnnr actually there's more to it than that, a more detailed version was released
      https://zenodo.org/r…
      yuekit
    • They managed to reconstruct the genomes of individual animals to show exactly which subspecies were there, which could help trace the origin.yuekit
    • Also it's not as cut and dry as saying "there were people and animals at the market." In some cases the virus samples contain entirely animal DNA and no humanyuekit
    • Is it possible that civet cats and raccoon dogs are animals used for lab testing in Asia, given their (apparent),closeness to humans? (jumping species barrier)monNom
    • I mean, is China importing ferrets en-mass from North America for their serial passage experiments? or are they using something domestically available?monNom
    • It would be interesting to know if they also have domestically developed transgenic mice, and other animals. That could help explain the occurrence in humans.monNom
    • It's possible but it's also possible that people slaughtering thousands of animals imported from all over Asia got infected with a virus :)yuekit
    • And it’s also possible that the lab down the street that has the same as the virus is complicitGnash
    • The lab isn't down the street though, it's on the other side of the city.yuekit
    • Maybe this will help people understand...these are some actual pictures of the market.
      https://imgur.com/a/…
      yuekit
    • @yuekit What do you think those images show that strengthen your position? Every single positive test for Covid was environmental. No animals tested in the ..Morning_star
    • ...the market showed infection. None. There is no evidence to show the virus jumping from bats to humans. Yet, 10km away a lab was studying the Covid virus.Morning_star
    • I don't understand why you've nailed your colours to the mast on this. The evidence just isn't conclusive for either theory.Morning_star
    • What’s the name of that lab again?Gnash
    • You mean the Wuhan Institute of Virology? Cmon guys you don't even know the name of the lab, how are you so convinced about this?yuekit
    • What's happened is that these people in the lab leak movement like Matt Ridley and Alina Chan have succeeded in confusing people.yuekit
    • It’s a movement? You mean like Chinese propaganda ?Gnash
    • So Morning_star said earlier that the lab actually had this virus...that's not true but I can understand why you'd think that.yuekit
    • "No animals tested in the market showed infection. None." Again this is wrong...what happened is that China simply didn't release any information about theyuekit
    • animals at all and later claimed they were never sold there to begin with.yuekit
    • So it was really just the CCP censoring this information, and as a result people came up with these alternative theories.yuekit
    • There's never been any actual evidence at all pointing at the lab. There's a big difference between physical evidence like actual cases of COVID or positiveyuekit
    • samples -- which both exist at the market, and these are the first known cases in the world -- vs. an entirely theoretical possibility that gets repeated in theyuekit
    • media a bunch of times and that people want to believe in.yuekit
  • neverscared1

    A meta-analysis of the associations between insufficient sleep duration and antibody response to vaccination


    Insufficient sleep (<6 hours/night) around vaccination reduces the antibody response

    The reduction is similar to the waning of COVID-19 vaccine antibodies over 2 months

    The association seems robust in men, but more data are needed in women

    Optimizing sleep duration around the time of vaccination may boost antibody response

    https://www.cell.com/current-bio…

  • Continuity2

    Be careful what you wish for, @neverscared!

    • And, @hans, re: 'tomatoes don't mental health problems, it's been proven'
      I think, sir, you have all the documentary evidence here to the contrary.
      Continuity
    • As a tomato, I approve this message.palimpsest
    • i beg to disagree, this public service announcement clearly shows how tomatoes cause mental health issues, rather than having them themselves.hans_glib
    • killmato bro...neverscared
  • neverscared5


    Covid’s effect on mental health not as great as first thought, study suggests

    Covid-19 may not have taken as great a toll on the mental health of most people as earlier research has indicated, a new study suggests.

    The pandemic resulted in “minimal” changes in mental health symptoms among the general population, according to a review of 137 studies from around the world led by researchers at McGill University in Canada, and published in the British Medical Journal.

    Brett Thombs, a psychiatry professor at McGill University and senior author, said some of the public narrative around the mental health impacts of Covid-19 were based on “poor-quality studies and anecdotes”, which became “self-fulfilling prophecies”, adding that there was a need for more “rigorous science”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/soci…

    • that's because tomatoes don't have mental health problems, it's been provenhans_glib
    • As a tomato, I approve this comment.palimpsest
    • Also, as a tomato, the COVID measures wrecked havoc on my family. But I still don't take my anectodal evidence as an argument against the measures taken.palimpsest
    • killertomatoes all iam sayin.. dangerous vegetables everywhere .. with 5G and all their names are billneverscared
    • Tomatoes have feelings too.palimpsest
    • You lot really are actual moronsRendle
    • Coo.Continuity
    • He's back!
      We're still waiting on the date:
      https://www.qbn.com/…
      palimpsest
    • https://www.youtube.…palimpsest
    • Tomatoes together strongcrazyprick
    • @Rendle
      Give us some dates. Whatever fits your monthly schedule.
      Bitch!
      palimpsest
    • Coo Cooneverscared
    • My wife is a teacher. I can PROMISE you that there are massive issues with mental health re. Covid/lockdowns etcexador1
    • while i agree with the necessity of having had the lockdowns, there are kids at school right now that have very low socialization skillsexador1
    • my son is a senior, he graduates next year...
      as he puts it 'these grade 9's are fucking insane dad!' lol...
      exador1
    • my wife has seen it at the school she teaches at too... the new cohort coming through is the most difficult she's seen in almost 30 years of teaching.exador1
    • it's not just isolated... staff had a meeting with the school board...
      it's ALL schools.
      exador1
    • there's a cohort coming through that had 3 years of barely any proper socialization, learning or guidance etc...exador1
    • and they are, as my son so eloquently puts it 'fucking insane' lol...exador1
    • not really ... one man´s tiny opinion vs.a bold number of scientifc studies...i know where my bets are on and so should yours ...otherwise its too esoteric..neverscared
    • so you just can go believe every village dork who has an off ballanced opinion.neverscared
    • Palimpset. You've been nothing but an empty headed retard that hasn't put forth a single piece of worthwhile response.Rendle
    • You've done nothing but talk utter nonsense. What on earth makes you think I'd waste my time talking with you further?Rendle
    • You're clearly a belligerent imbecile.Rendle
    • At least people like yuekit, regardless of us disagreeing, put forth intelligible arguments. You are nothing but a moron. Do not address me again.Rendle
    • You think I'm going to sit there and listen to you blathering on about tomatoes and other idiocy?Rendle
    • You genuinely have no concept of how much of a blithering muppet you come across?Rendle
    • At least yuekit and such can form some sort of coherent argument. You're a clueless and unintelligible retard.Rendle
    • Only slightly worse than Nairn who has no input except 'coo'. Every time I come here I feel myself getting dumber. Horrible sess pit of a place.Rendle
    • It's funny how much of an impact I've had on you, though. Go outside for a walk. Maybe talk to someone in real life.Rendle
    • wendle... you sound like an angry tomato that is crying like a dumb bitch that a pidgeon has just craped onneverscared
    • "Do not address me again."
      Fucking LOL
      Continuity
    • I can see why my comments would leave you confused but this is something I could have talked you through during the debate.palimpsest
    • Yuekit has said all he's going to say. Nairn can't even respond to basic questions explaining his belief systemRendle
    • These side notes are very limited, they don't give us enough space to spell things out for everybody.
      I'm here for you.
      palimpsest
    • Palimpset seems like he has some sort of mental illness. What a place. One day you'll realise that effect the vaccine is having. Until then, bon voyage retards.Rendle
    • Oh, are you leaving? For real?
      Well, thank god for that. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, you spastic fuckstick.
      Continuity
    • C'est qu'on appelle filer à l'anglaise.
      À la prochaine , bitch!
      palimpsest
    • BYE CUNTcrazyprick
    • Did someone remind Rendle that he brought up tomatoes in his irrational analogy outlining his complete ignorance of what genetic modification means?monospaced
    • bon voyage retardmonospaced
    • the 5G's got to set again I seeinteliboy
  • yuekit0

    The lab leak saga really is incredible...you have people like Robert Redfield, Trump's CDC director during the pandemic, testifying that it was a lab leak with no real evidence of it.

    And in the process Redfield reveals that he has no understanding of concepts like what a furin cleavage site is, doesn't know that SARS-1 transmitted human to human and generally makes a fool of himself.

    https://twitter.com/MichaelWorob…

    Scientists are basically in awe at how this person was CDC director and it actually explains why the initial US response to the pandemic was so disastrous. But it's not clear to me that journalists, who have generally done a terrible job covering this topic, even realize it.

    • It is a faithful reflection of those who govern us and of our society in general. incompetence everywhere. Sad.OBBTKN
    • Eh, and I'm not saying that I'm smart. I'm just a guy who knows how to draw, push pixels and prepare barbecues ¯\_(ツ)_/¯OBBTKN
    • And lives the good life in Basque Country.Continuity
  • robotinc3

  • Nairn5

  • shapesalad6

    Rendle... hospitals and excess deaths:

    So during 2020 as we saw lockdowns, at least in the UK - hospitals cut lots of scheduled operations and delayed many appointments. The public also felt scared away from visiting their GP for a small thing they've noticed that actually could be something serious, eg cancer.

    So over 2020 you are seeing excess deaths due to covid + a lack of medical intervention into non-covid issues.

    Once vaccines rolled out, you still saw excess deaths due to the aforementioned non-covid treatment and diagnosis delays + now you have fewer nurses and doctors due to covid deaths amongst staff + people leaving the profession = less people are getting the treatment they require, less appointments going around, less resources for treatment (thinking here of cancers and other terminal like diseases).

    You can also include suicdes from all the mental strain of lockdowns, redundancies and job losses bumping up the excess death rate.

    So once you factor those in. Do your maths, and work out how many excess death are not from Covid + not from miss hospital treatments. Of those remain, now workout how many had the vaccines. Of those, double check if they are part of the missed hospital treatment cohort. Of those remaining, did they get vaccinated and die from car crashes/suicides etc?

    Now you should have left the people who have die and been vaccinated and not die from anything else. Ok, now you can start see of the population total, what is that percentage. Now you can work out how lethal your vaccines are.

    Once you've done the maths, done the statistical analysis and had it peer reviewed: report back.

    • https://jamanetwork.…garbage
    • There's plenty of reasons for the excess deaths, but it's undeniable COVID clogging the medical system and shutting down the economy didn't have a hand on it.garbage
    • Plenty of people got denied treatment because our hospital systems were overwhelmed. COVID killed them because our healthcare system is shit.garbage
    • But! I want to ask: What's your favorite meal?garbage
  • Rendle-4

    For all the downvotes, who's able to address my original point? Not Nairn.

    Why did it annoy you so much, if you have an answer? Be my guest...

    https://www.qbn.com/reply/408492…

    • seek help, like ivermectin or somethingimbecile
    • I'm seeking your opinion on why I'm wrong... should be simple, right?Rendle
    • How am I wrong? The floor is yours...Rendle
    • I've been asking for 22 days...Rendle
    • Simply put, the consensus among experts doesn’t align with what you’re saying, and neither does the data.monospaced
    • Also, it’s not our responsibility to prove you wrong. It’s on you to prove you’re right, since you’re the one making the assertions.Continuity
    • Using your line of reasoning Rendle, the fact that you have no response to my post that the data doesn’t support you is your concession that you’re a moronmonospaced
    • Your FAILURE to address my address of your question with a fact so undeniable I know is problematic. So I take YOUR failure as your resignation.monospaced