Sexual Harrassment in Advertising/Tech
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- Maaku0
Read something similar about a woman designer that worked for Uber.
And I personally have heard CEOs and clients bragging about young girls :-/ very uncomfortable.- Here's her story https://medium.com/@…Maaku
- I read that and i want surprised at all by her account.shellie
- cannonball19780
I'm sorry you are facing harassment from this fellow, but it sounds like you know what to do about the situation. I would let him know that it's unwelcome attention and if he persists that you and other women have shared your experiences with each other.
You should expect him to be a petty bitch, that some sort of mild confrontation is inevitable, and to go from there.
- mugwart0
From my experience with a friend, HR couldn't do anything as the communications were not via work channels (aka in work place, work email etc). There is so many procedures that they have to follow, and are their to protect the firms reputation.
Maybe talk to them off the record without telling names first.
That said you much follow your heart and do what you think is right. Ive seen sexism on both sides and its a fucking disgrace.
I'd get the other girls together collate all the messages of communications and track his finance down. She has to know at least. This could be done anonymously as well. Once this has done the damage I would then move into the firm.
Another thing to take into account is how protected he is with this firm, i call it the funny handshake. (I'm from an old uk family so i say it a lot growing up.) be he one or not - he sounds very protected by the firm.
I have seen a lot of weird shit in my time so above all make sure your extremely paranoid and cover all your bases before you make your play.Let us know if you need help.
Another idea is to go on the dark web and get a hacker. get as much dirt on him as possible. then take it to him and ask him to stop.
- a friend of mine won a harassment settlement over events that happened after hours in person. i don't think it matters what means of communication.sarahfailin
- Good for her. This might be an UK thing not sure.mugwart
- robotron3k-3
IMO this is a tough one. Especially if you no longer work for the company or rely on the company for freelance. Notifying HR is not always the best choice. The point being all employees work for the company and Human Resources IS actually the company. Notifying them put you on the radar more than the guy and they want to protect themselves from lawsuits from you first, not him. So just be aware if you do, as you're going to have to regurgitate all the things he's done over again and send in evidence to the HR dept. All if which would be awkward af. Even if you ask HR for advice on the side, it's still going to be executed as a written complaint. So be aware.
Another thing, if this guy has charge of a big, high level account, and in with the client, you may not have a chance in hell, as it's dollars to the agency and that's what makes the world go around. (IMO, It will be almost impossible if the account is worth multimillion dollars and he goes drinking with the client...)
As he's counting on you to follow the rules and play by his game and it allows him to textually harass you. There are so many ways to get back at him, I think you need to think out of the box... like start a facebook group of mutual friends or have your boyfriend call him, or befriend his girlfriend, stuff like that...
- yeah this...sucks but this.
got a feeling you'll have to go around the houses to get so much dirt on him.
even then..mugwart - yupmoldero
- my boyfriend offered to reach out to his fiance. i dont know about that. there can be social fallout from such a move.shellie
- & yes this is a big, multi million dollar account and this would be extremely embarrassing. I'm certain there's a pile of women that have the same story.shellie
- i don't stand a chance against their gaggle of lawyers.shellie
- reminds me of that scene in Network "The World is a Business" https://youtu.be/8jI…robotron3k
- This is awful advice. You're telling her to not bother because it might not achieve anything and he's good for bottom line? Really living up to reputation robo.monospaced
- HR is counting on this guy to follow the rules and play the game, and he's not. You should never be afraid to go to HR, and nobody should tell you to be.monospaced
- If anything this allows HR to address the issue and protect themselves from future lawsuits. Don't be bullied by a man into being too scared to speak up.monospaced
- If you go personal on this, contact his family or friends, then he really would have a reason to not take you seriously.monospaced
- I'm telling her to be aware of her outing him IF there is big money involved and i'm suggesting she think outside the box in terms of gaining "revenge"robotron3k
- shellie has to do something but a straight out play which might rock the company. This might have the company protecting itself.
So Shellie has to make sure..mugwart - ... she is safe before making a move.mugwart
- I feel like you're telling her that she can't trust HR or other authorities, and should do something totally shady, which I personally think is bad advice.monospaced
- Because of the high amount of money involved in the org that allows this asshole to operate like this. Feh.monospaced
- I'm only say be cautions. A lot of peoples experiences with HR is that they protect their company first. As prick is a major player they might try to cover upmugwart
- yeah this...sucks but this.
- HAYZ1LLLA1
I don't have much to offer on the subject sorry but the back-seat-driver in me says definitely spread the word about him. we can always assist in making it viral as possible.
- sarahfailin1
I agree that you should do whatever you can to nail this guy while protecting yourself and the other women affected.
Can you take the facebook/text messages from you and the other women, redact the names (except his, clearly) and submit them to the proper authorities via an anonymous email address?
Tell them that none of you wishes to be identified (if that is the case) but that you can continue to communicate via email anonymously.
just an idea. nail the mofo.
- shellie0
A caveat to this story: i'm a vendor on record and ive done work for them in the past. I run my own company. Im not a staff employee and Im not a regular in office agency freelancer. Which is why the HR approach see.s less viable. I'm basically an outside vendor and i do not have any projects currently running with the agency. Since he's been hired, he's never been assigned to any of my projects. I don't think i have the same rights as just a regular citizen against some Facebook messages and texts. He does clearly list his agency and position publically on all his social media outlets, so he's representing the company there. I could pitch and potentially win large contacts with this agency, which i may do now just to see if im rejected. He may or may not be able to help or stop me in that respect. I don't know the inner workings of the agency that intimately. But if they don't give me a job i may have some extra leverage.
Im going to consult a lawyer about this. I have a friend looking for resources in California since he and the agency are in LA. I have recently relocated to NY.
- _niko0
What if your FB messenger got accidentally 'hacked' and his creepy messages were leaked to social media for everyone to see what a dirtbag he is hehe
Like what happened to Anthony Weiner
- yeah, just post those message. if he hasn't got his name as www .com, take it, and post his messages on there.fruitsalad
- Fax_Benson0
that's a shitty and familiar story. Definitely speak to a legal bod with experience of similar situations first.
- ernexbcn0
I've heard some bad stories lately regarding taking stuff like this to HR, such as getting the complete opposite result that common sense would dictate on a situation like this.
- pango0
put his head on a stick!
- Bluejam0
You could try getting into contact with this organisation? They might offer you some advice ...
- noneck0
"What the hell is wrong with my gender?"
We don't call out douchebag behaviour when we witness it, thereby giving it our tacit approval.
- set-1
Expose that peice of shit. I know it's a tricky one having the attention put on you for exposing him. Maybe have a friend do it under the guise of you not particularly wanting to...
Fuck him.
- fruitsalad-3
Get him blind drunk, then get in a taxi to a love hotel, have a stern and strong ladyboy pre arranged to meet at hotel, swap with ladyboy. Let ladyboy do their stuff, take photos.
Blackmail.
- do him like the principle in the Vice Principles showmoldero
- Hayoth-2
So what exactly did he say?
Post screen grabs of the comments.
- pr2-52
Stay out of this. This will only blow up in your face and there is nothing to gain for you other than saving some imagined young women.
People use power to advance in life - that's how the world works. Likewise, others chose to engage with said powers or disengage (with the possibility of losing out as you bring up this possibility yourself). There is nothing you can do other than simply gain more power so his power doesn't affect you.
My ex gf in her youth while inspiring to be an actress was wooed by an Oscar wining director. Sexual things have happened and although the experience has left a mark of disgust in her, she also admitted that she has grown from the encounter. We basically don't know how things turn out until they do happen. We can only presume what might happen to those young naive women but reality it's a bit more complex. You are dealing with adults so let them make their own decisions/mistakes.
- WAIT, WHAT in the actual fuck are you on about?!lvl_13
- the fuck?Fax_Benson
- Riiiiiiight.Continuity
- Haha. You're a ratbag.HAYZ1LLLA
- Every time I re-read this post, I can't believe what I'm reading.
Judging by this, you're a fucking caveman,Continuity - wtf? gtfo pr2 you piece of shitLMFAO
- who is this asshole?Instagram
- what a foolsonnnde