Paris Hebdo attack
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- georgesIII0
why all those cartoonist pretending that those people were radicalised because of a cartoon,
it's like their hate came from nowhere,
nobody wakes up in the morning and decide, imma go shootup cartoonist,but there are people who wake up everyday, sit down in front of people and splat them for liberty and freedom,
can anyone tell me the difference?and please no, muh middle east has always been a shithole, fuckn crack a book sometimes
- Which cartoonists?goldieboy
- do you want us to answer, or to go and educate ourselves to the required standard first?Fax_Benson
- Come on Georges, every area in the world was a shit hole in the past the Middle East is no exception_niko
- Ever since Muhammed died, they've been fighting over how to rule. SOme places it's been worse than others.monospaced
- no I'm just tired of people saying all muslim and islam is evil when you have christian/atheist dropping tons of bomb on them, if you read my initial comments, I'm really fuckn disgusted by their act, but we shouldn't pretend like they just did it because of religiongeorgesIII
- if you read my initial comments, I'm really fuckn disgusted by their act, but we shouldn't pretend like they just did it because of religiongeorgesIII
- iCanHazQBN0
sureshot, does the below make you sick as well? Or maybe not, because the victims are third-world Arabs and not pretty French people?
Iraq, Wednesday 7 January: 53 killed
Mosul: 12 executed.
Falluja: 17 Sahwa members executed; 2 killed by mortars.
Baghdad: 7 killed by IEDs; 1 body.
Shirqat: 5 family members executed.
Mahmudiya: 2 by IED.
Amiriyat Falluja: 4 by mortars.
Dhuluiya: 2 by IED.
Amara: 1 by gunfire.Probably killed by Muslims, but as a direct result of the instability in the region created by the West. This shit was not happening before the West decided to invade Iraq.
- yes of course. the world had gone to shit.sureshot
- hassureshot
- Yes, because the middle east was a shining example of harmony and stability before the "west" stepped in._niko
- It wasn't perfect, but Iraq was not a warzone like it is now. It's a night and day difference.iCanHazQBN
- Saddam was an asshole, but generally people lived their lives in peace.iCanHazQBN
- not happening before iraqi invasion? are you serious!? you are not well informedGnash
- Not well informed? I'm fucking Iraqi. And I am literally sitting next to 3 other Iraqi people right this moment.iCanHazQBN
- 2 of them came to America a couple of years ago. They know what it was like FIRST-HAND.iCanHazQBN
- so when iraq invaded kuwait, it was to deliver toys for the children?Gnash
- just because you're iraqi, doesn't make you right here.Gnash
- That was a different, and just mission. I was actually in Kuwait as a child when that happened and had to be evacuated.iCanHazQBN
- And yes, because I'm Iraqi it does make me right. I have a perspective from the East and from the West.iCanHazQBN
- And not to mention the Iraqis that I personally know and talk to every day that tell me what it's like now and what it was like before.iCanHazQBN
- before.iCanHazQBN
- The West fucked shit up over there on a GRAND SCALE. So when I hear of 12 French people dying... I think... well... who gives a shit?iCanHazQBN
- a shit?iCanHazQBN
- I bet none of your friend are Kurds, then. I imagine they'd have a different idea of how good things were,Gnash
- LOL. Yeah, go ahead and justify the war..... I think you might be the only one left.iCanHazQBN
- dude, who's justifying that stupid war? I'm just questioning your perspectiveGnash
- you said this shit wasn't happening before the west hit iraq. it was happening - just not to you and yours.Gnash
- I'm not saying shit wasn't happening. I know about the Kurds. But the US-lead mission was on a massive scale..iCanHazQBN
- It has created instability in a huge area of the mideast.iCanHazQBN
- true that.Gnash
- This terrorist attack is nothing compared to the atrocities created by West. That's my point.iCanHazQBN
- ICHQ, don't waste your time with gnash, the west will never ever agree that the reason there are so many refugees and wars in africa and middle east is because of their half assed plans, they will justify it by saying, muh religion, muh corrupt official, muh freedom, but never say a peep when wedding, schools, hospitals, funerals get blown away by cunt sitting in a air conditioned room in utah,georgesIII
- africa and middle east is because of their half assed plans, they will justify it by saying, muh religion, muh corrupt official, muh freedom, but never say a peep when wedding, schools, hospitals, funerals get blown away by cunt sitting in a air conditioned room in utah,georgesIII
- official, muh freedom, but never say a peep when wedding, schools, hospitals, funerals get blown away by cunt sitting in a air conditioned room in utah,georgesIII
- fuckn air conditioned room in utah, they will even justify torture away, go wonder why they all bring some kind of bs moral compass everytime something like this happens, I come from Ivory Coast, a country that was fucked over by the frenchs since it's inceptions, Do you want to guess how many people even know the crimes they commited there... I'm not justifying this bullshit attack, but I'm sick of people pretending it came out of the blue,georgesIII
- compass everytime something like this happens, I come from Ivory Coast, a country that was fucked over by the frenchs since it's inceptions, Do you want to guess how many people even know the crimes they commited there... I'm not justifying this bullshit attack, but I'm sick of people pretending it came out of the blue,georgesIII
- it's inceptions, Do you want to guess how many people even know the crimes they committed there... I'm not justifying this bullshit attack, but I'm sick of people pretending it came out of the blue,georgesIII
- people pretending it came out of the blue, fuck if everyone called out their local governments about their crimes we wouldn't be here trying to excuse everyone's crimegeorgesIII
- trying to excuse everyone's crimegeorgesIII
- i_monk0
You'r right but all "fundamentalists" do not kill thousands a year. Only a specific one. – gonzalle
Actually they do, you just don't hear about them in the West. Christians have been massacring Muslims by the hundreds in Central African Republic for a year now and terrorizing northeast India for decades with various independence campaigns, Breivik (a radical Christian) killed and injured hundreds in Norway, the Gujarat riots linked above had hundreds of Muslims killed by Hindus, and so on. All fundamentalists are dangerous and will kill if they get the chance.
- The Gujurat thing was 90% Indian Nationalism, under the guise of Hinduism, as Hinduism itself.detritus
- < thishans_glib
- Fine, but there's literally a dozen other riots and pogroms in India alone to pick from.i_monk
- How do you tell the difference when they are a bunch of religious nationalists?ukit2
- bullshitsgonzalle
- reanimate0
@ niko
Regarding other religions, this happened about a decade ago in India..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/200…
"It is estimated that at least 250 girls and women had been gang raped and then burned to death. Children were killed by being burnt alive and those digging mass graves described the bodies as "burned and butchered beyond recognition". Children were force fed petrol and then set on fire, pregnant women were gutted and their unborn child's body then shown to the women. In the Naroda Patiya mass grave of 96 bodies 46 were women. The murderers also flooded homes and electrocuted entire families inside...
Children and infants were speared and held aloft before being thrown into fires. Describing the sexual violence perpetrated against Muslim women and girls, Renu Khanna writes that the survivors reported "that sexual violence consisted of forced nudity, mass rapes, gang-rapes, mutilation, insertion of objects into bodies, cutting of breasts, slitting the stomach and reproductive organs, and carving of Hindu religious symbols on women's body parts."
The worst part is that the current PM of India was arguably involved in letting this happen...most charitable interpretation is that he did nothing to stop it.
- pretty fucked up. The sooner we rid ourselves of organized religion the better._niko
- yeah organized atheism is going to save usyurimon
- You know there's no such thing, silly troll.i_monk
- no but compassion, reason and intelligence might._niko
- true on compassion, but thats kinda Buddhist though..yurimon
- Buddha was a lazy fat ass! Sit under a tree and do nothing all day!pango
- Coooool ... if it happened with other religions... then it's OK... even if the exemples are quite difficult to find.gonzalle
- i_monk0
Two weeks after Zuckerberg said ‘je suis Charlie,’ Facebook begins censoring images of prophet Muhammad
- Facebook censors a lot more than that, nothing new here.uan
- it would be great if people stopped talking about facebookset
- that's not the point uanGeorgesII
- the point is, facebook is a commercial operation, they can censor anything they want and they do in order to keep their users happy.uan
- users happy. can you post nude pictures on facebook? why not? because 'some' users would get offended by that.uan
- same thing with insulting imagery of some godlike figure somewhere.uan
- Thank God news organisations aren't commercial entities.detritus
- yurimon0
My question is. Is the french reaction similar to the american
9-uno uno?- they are not talking about hunting them down or kill them. More about integrate or re-integrate.ApeRobot
- why insist with that question? are you trying to prove something ?i_was
- I'm just curious... I wonder if they are going to get the same draconian policiesyurimon
- No, there are going to be new rules but certainly not as draconian as the one in the USi_was
- but we already got hadopi so it's all goodGeorgesII
- Gardener0
- no one caresset
- #je suis obnoxiousi_was
- charlie helto skeltoWeyland
- hipster haircut? wtf.zenmasterfoo
- benfal990
- -It's official. The USA's CIA is responsible for everything. You can stop thinking of anything else. It's now official. CIA is responsible for all the trouble on planet Earth. It's all been cleared up by people on the Inter-Netz.
Thank you.
Now in sports, Timmy, what are the scores of last night games?
- dyspl0
georgeIII,
let's imagine the paris attack was fake :
are you aware that the journalists and caricaturists were very real?
they were very famous people in france and they are not actors or whatever you can imagine that would help your conspiracy theory.
these one were killed there's no doubt about that.so if you plan to actually kill people for whatever hidden agenda you have, why would you even bother faking the killing of a cop passing by??!
it really doesn't make any sens.then details like the IDs in the car... instead of rushing on thesis about how they were planted by the "real" reponsible -no don't tell me.... are they some sort of gov guys, dressed in black?and one of them always smokes?...- to trap these 2 guys, how about the attackers simply left them intentionaly for exemple? one of the point of a terrorist action is to make people know your group planned the attack. and concerning their own motivation it could be that dying while fighting make you a martyr, no?
- forget it. http://87804c6124014…HijoDMaite
- I don't think georges is trying to say it was all staged.Gnash
- totally agree with dysplbenfal99
- Dude that is so not what terrorism is for..yurimon
- benfal990
uncensored Porte de Vincennes assault by the RAID
- first guy entering alone on the right is a hero. wow! Who would want to do thatbenfal99
- Did they shoot some of the hostages?qoob
- no. 4 were already dead.benfal99
- you can see one body already on floor when the gate open.benfal99
- the phrase, "hailing bullets" makes more sense to me now. amazing they didn't shoot each otherGnash
- the terrorist fucking rush the door receiving dozens of bullets. crazy shit!benfal99
- those guys know their shitbenfal99
- humanzpablo28
- benfal990
humanz fear the unknown and humanz wants answers to everything. That's exactly why we have religions. That's exactly why people sees conspiracy theories everywhere.
- so childishmonospaced
- exactlybenfal99
- You make no sense, the conspiracy theories beg far more questions than answers...set
- Believing the propaganda machine newnews outlets 100% is the comforting and easy way out.set
- i know set. and thats not what i said.benfal99
- lol I'm not sure you have any idea what you saidset
- lolbenfal99
- set, he's just generalizing about the nature of religion, and it makes perfect sensemonospaced
- he's right, its like looking for images in noise patterns, some things are just randomyovkov
- qoob0
- Then who was phone?ORAZAL
- dad ghost?georgesIII
- davidicke? seriously? conspiracy theories have become the coping mechanism for internet dorks.inteliboy
- People did conspire to commit this. False flags go back to the roman empire. history is built on conspiracyyurimon
- kingkong0
Thailand is Buddhist. BTW
in most 'non christian' countries the churches are symbols of imperialism not religion, so it's hard to work out where the level is.
Generally religions are linked to their cultural importance.
So
1000 years ago we loved the sun, which was great for fucking ages
2000 years ago religion as we know it organised against thematic beliefs
1800 years ago we created most of the worlds religions from one central story
10200 years ago we started the crusades
100 years ago we 'claimed' Jerusalem
600 years ago Christianity fractures
500 years ago we (UK) slaughter catholics
400 years ago France slaughters the huguenots
300 years ago US slaughter indgenous religions
200 years ago we sent missions to Africa
100 years ago we start to 'give a shit'
50 years ago we slaughtered Jews
25 years ago Catholics blew up my town
14 years ago 9/11 happened
8 years ago 7/7 happenedtoday some chap who happened to find religion his means - killed a bunch of people
this 'period' will go down as the most fucked up, illogical monstrosity of an epoch.
Religion is a DISGUSTING construct
It's like saying 'I believe I am superior as a red head' therefore I kill everyone who isn't.
We have lost it and sw the seeds of our destruction.
Anyone who believes their fictitious entity is better than someones fictitious entity is a cunt of the highest order.
- 10000
kingkong - I think we can barely get along in our own households or with our neighbours, never mind people half way across the world who look and think differently than us_niko
- ... look and think differently than us, maybe it's just human nature and we're all fucked._niko
- welcome to my worldbenfal99
- +1,000,000monospaced
- 10000
- ETM0
You are stating the obvious. Anyone with actions like that are motivated and influenced by someone or something.
The point of the term, 'lone wolf' is that the actions, however motivated, are contained with the individual and not part of a larger coordinated plot/plan and not directly planned/directed by a larger organization.
- < and how in the world do YOU know that the act wasn't planned/directed by an organization????....chukkaphob
- ... especially given the fact that Cherif Kouachi trained in Yemen with al Qaeda!!!chukkaphob
- Because no group has CLAIMED it and they have always enjoyed CLAIMING actions, even that they don;t do.ETM
- Also, my statement is a general one about the term lone wolf. I never actually SAID anything about this specific attack.ETM
- So calm the fuck down.ETM
- Anyone on here have intell clearance to check this out cause its important?yurimon
- Cherif spoke on the phone and said that Alkaida in yemen supported him to do this attack.i_was
- http://rt.com/news/2…i_was
- ETM. hahah! really? YOU are the one who needs to calm the F down and educate yourself. hahaha!chukkaphob
- Anyway, one party said Al-Qaeda and the other said ISIS... which have yet to work together.ETM
- But if these guys SAID it... it must be true and not part of their delusion.ETM
- News now says Yemen Al-Qaeda confirms responsibility. But why take 2 says to do so?ETM
- @chukkaphob .. are you educating yourself with the ever fluid news reports? Got some other sources?ETM
- Because to tell someone to "educate themselves" would imply facts are confirmed and vetted.ETM
- All that said, I still don't get how my general comment about the lone wolf keeps being twisted to be specifically about Paris.ETM
- You're applying your own narrative to the comment.ETM
- @ETM yawn. you talk too much without saying much. hahaha!chukkaphob
- georgesIII0
btw: I will come back on what Icanhas said before,
every death caused by war and it's repercussion is fuckn evil and I don't want to justify these acts because they are commited by fools who hide behind the state or religion,
but how come the french and their acolytes can bomb a country like lybia to dust, install fuckn extremist who never were allowed to roam the streets before, allow the black population of that country genocided because they defended the old regime, have the president of that country sodomised in a street like a dog, have hundred of thousand of citizen displaced and killed,
yet when I bring this up on any forum or in any real life conversations,
I get the usual, ghedaffi/saddam/dictactor du jour was a mad men, he killed so and so, he wasn't for democracy,that's why we had to take them off and install even more dangerous and radical individuals,
when are you people, me included are going to say enough is fuckn enough, we don't want our taxes to finances those wars, we don't want to be involved in internal affairs of country we know nothing about and we want them to let their economy flourish,
The reason I told some of the more "muh islam has always been like this" commenters to crack a book, wasn't as a joke, I really want people to go see how most of the muslim countries were on a path of democraty or communism, but had their government hijacked by outside forces,
now does that justify those fuckn attacks,
no!
but maybe if more of us were speaking against the criminal acts our governments are committing abroad in our names, we wouldn't have to deal with lowest radicalised scum and live in a world were we fear other because of their religion
- you have some good points there Georges.benfal99
- I keep thinking about how far we (as humans) could have gone if not for being so destructive.GM278
- I'm not an idealist but goddamned, I just don't see how it could ever get better.GM278
- The west ($) has created untenable insanity all over. but the idea that all this violence wasn't happening before the west got involved is just plain naive.Gnash
- west got involved is just plain naive.Gnash
- we want to talk last century, where were the two world wars that erased 100 millions of able bodies fought?georgesIII
- who ever said that the west wasn't fucked?Gnash
- I'm not the one trying to argue that there wasn't wars fought before, but I just said that most of the misery we see in modern time in the middle east is directly correlated to the western involvement, now we can pussy foot around who is the most barbaric but I know you know the answergeorgesIII
- time in the middle east is directly correlated to the western involvement, now we can pussy foot around who is the most barbaric but I know you know the answergeorgesIII
- barbaric but I know you know the answergeorgesIII
- see, now you are being specific -"modern middle east" and I agree. the west has messed things upGnash
- ukit20
Le Monde are reporting that the man killed in port de Vincennes is Amedy Coulibaly.
- So the girl is still out there somewhere ...ukit2
- was the girl an aspiring rapper as well?organicgrid
- she'll be dead by tomorrow morning.Bluejam
- that hair style is a serious crime as well.CygnusZero4
- look how black that dude is lmao. noone is gonna find him under the cover of nightCygnusZero4
- he's deadBluejam
- sarahfailin0
- yeah because it was muslim that did 9/11... sighgeorgesIII
- < lol, you're a complete nutjobi_was
- they weren't muslim, georges?monospaced
- 9/11 was an inside jobESKEMA
- DRIFTMONKEY0
"The comparison game is always a good way to make a 1st level statement on a subject. It's graphic, it's easy to understand. But the thing are way more complex than that."
- BOFDset
- =)DRIFTMONKEY
- i have he rights on that quote!benfal99
- BFOTDmonospaced
- lolbenfal99
