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- GeorgesII0
If science is real,
how come the smartest person in the world can't fix himself...???
- he chose quantum physics not genetics. or medical...yurimon
- be too busy out chasing tail instead of sciencing if he was normalset
- he kind of did: still thinking, writing, publishing and pushing the boundariesuan
- all his character generation points went to brainingscarabin
- My sarcastic response to rhetorical trolling question from Georges.monospaced
- So science, much brainingset
- and I bet he knows himself in a parallel universe being usain bolt.uan
- Morning_star0
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Consciousness studies are the thorn in the materialist/atheist side. More often than not the theories, debates, scientific papers etc are swept under the carpet with claims of pseudoscience by the materialist scientific establishment. The universe(s) should be explored/studied free from existing dogma and prejudice.- Not a thorn. A challenge. You act as if ANYONE anywhere has an answer. The bible doesn't.monospaced
- AT LEAST scientists are TRYING to figure it out unlike religious retards who gave up 2000 years afo.monospaced
- You need to get over your science vs religion obsession. Science has its own problems without bringing the fucking religious into it.Morning_star
- religious into it. Even when science does have a glimmer of an answer the dogmatic materialist scupper the debate. Morons.Morning_star
- Moronic to the point of faith.Morning_star
- science came from the the old religion.yurimon
- i would say instead that both science and religion stem from human curiosity. religion was just our first attempt at answering things. an admirable attempt but ultimately wrong.scarabin
- things. an admirable attempt but ultimately wrong. its only use now is in helping us understand the internal, rather than the externalscarabin
- external.scarabin
- the mind speaks in symbols, the universe in mathscarabin
- YOU brought religion into it, Morning_star, by saying it was a thorn in the atheists side. Which it isn't.monospaced
- So your position is one that claims we are biological robots and Consciousness is an illusion?Morning_star
- yes, it's that we are biological machines and consciousness is an amazing result of biologymonospaced
- mostly because there's no evidence for any other explanation, except "it must be magic"monospaced
- but really because neuroscience has explained it extremely wellmonospaced
- "Materialist" You are so focused on picking that fight, but I've never heard a good explanation of what it actually means to be non-materialistukit2
- "non-materialist." Are you saying it can't be measured by humans, and if so how would we ever prove or disprove it?ukit2
- and just because it can't be measures is the most stupid reason for assuming it's supernaturalmonospaced
- "science can't explain it, therefore: god" is idioticmonospaced
- You really need to stop this religious obsession. You're the one that keeps making the leap to god. All I'm suggesting is that to claim that we understand the complete nature of the universe is ridiculous. Especially in the light of quantum theory, dark energy and matter, neither of which adhere to the current model that articulates what we claim to know' about the universe.Morning_star
- to claim that we understand the complete nature of the universe is ridiculous. Especially in the light of quantum theory, dark energy and matter, neither of which adhere to the current model that articulates what we claim to know' about the universe.Morning_star
- energy and matter, neither of which adhere to the current model that articulates what we claim to know' about the universe.Morning_star
- Universe.Morning_star
- derp, science doesn't claim to have it all figured out, and science is still not a belief system ;)monospaced
- It does though, that's the point.Morning_star
- haha, scientists would be the first to acknowledge they don't have it all figured out. What do you think they spend their time on?ukit2
- The scientific establishment will not even entertain the discussion of science that doesn't conform to the current materialist paradigm. TED is a prime example.Morning_star
- paradigm. TED is a prime example of this.
Morning_star - you couldn't be more wrong... the MOST $ in science is being poured into what we don't understandmonospaced
- there is no theory on matter and existence that anyone conforms to, just the LHC and the like working on itmonospaced
- son0
The swastika is a symbol used by of one of the most hated men on Earth, a symbol that represents the slaughter of millions of people and one of the most destructive wars on Earth. But Adolf Hitler was not the first to use this symbol. In fact, it was used as a powerful symbol thousands of years before him, across many cultures and continents.
For the Hindus and Buddhists in India and other Asian countries, the swastika was an important symbol for many thousands of years and, to this day, the symbol can still be seen in abundance - on temples, buses, taxis, and on the cover of books. It was also used in Ancient Greece and can be found in the remains of the ancient city of Troy, which existed 4,000 years ago. The ancient Druids and the Celts also used the symbol, reflected in many artefacts that have been discovered. It was used by Nordic tribes and even early Christians used the Swastika as one of their symbols, including the Teutonic Knights, a German medieval military order, which became a purely religious Catholic Order. But why is this symbol so important and why did Adolf Hitler decide to use it?
- oh no...look at that evil fire and evil electric and evil gun...lolson
- you hate jews, it's okay. we get it. it's one of the least alarming things about youscarabin
- this isn't about the swastika, it's about you posting an anti-semitic text as your worldviewscarabin
- nothing i posted was anti semetic...you can take it out of context if you want...is theosophy anti semetic?son
- you didn't even read the text you posted. it contains all the context needed.scarabin
- is theosophy anti-semetic?son
- the bit you posted was, yeah.scarabin
- that's a funny little attempt to derail, though. cutescarabin
- Son is right, The swastika originally a religious symbol. nothing to do with Nazis till hitler decided to invert it.yurimon
- everyone knows that already, yuri. the swastika isn't the point. the actual content of his post wasscarabin
- do you have pom poms to go with that cheerleader outfit, yuri? do you even know what game we're playing?scarabin
- lol...the bit of theosophy i posted was anti-semetic...aaaaa... so now theosophy is self hateson
- hey, you posted it, not me. maybe research what you represent as your worldviewscarabin
- i don't remember posting any "theosophy" so...i was just asking but i dunno, he saw derailing...son
- lord forgive me for projecting and derailingson
- instead of just pasting whatever's on the angry black guy blogs at the time and hoping it's reliablescarabin
- actually its from the aussies http://www.ancient-o… maybe it was aboriginals...damn them!!!!son
- stop playin games sarbyurimon
- get back under the porch before the neighbors see you, yuriscarabin
- chill scrabroyurimon
- SCIENCE!!pango
- lol @ scarabin, fighting the good fight against the whackadoodle nutjobsmonospaced
- Morning_star0
"...but the idea of a new kind of unknown particle seems reasonable based on what we already know, psychic powers is a big leap"
This is where we disagree, it's not a big leap. Even if you take a very quick look at the link i provided above you'll see that there is a huge amount of empirical data and evidence supporting the existence of Psi Effects. Not to mention the tens of thousands of years that humans have been experiencing the phenomena.
Do I have psychic abilities? No more or less than any other human. Have i experienced someone bending a spoon? Yes, it's a neat party trick.
Have I seen someone predict the future? Not in the way you mean.However, the relatively common experience of NDEs (Near Death Experiences) raise the question of mind being seperate to the physical brain. There is some compelling evidence, particularly the 10 year study by the heart surgeon Dr Pim Van Lommel.
Dean Radins experiments concerning the influence of thought on the double slit experiment are fascinating.
And Rupert Sheldrakes series of experiments concerning the Sense of being stared at and Dogs that know when there owners are coming home are compelling.
Not to mention studies on the Placebo Effect, Murmeration, Herd Communication, Lactating Mothers (yep, it's a freaky thing)--------
"It shouldn't really require poring over statistics to prove this stuff... "
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How else would you give it scientific credibility?- Give up, honestly. Fruitless debate.set
- Fruitless as in people who cant comprehend without personal experience. where that is lackingyurimon
- As if any fucking religious nut has had ACTUAL experience with god, a miracle or an angel. We know it's fucking bullshit.monospaced
- The whole point of science is that someone is getting as close as possible to actual experience with something.monospaced
- Who mentioned religion? For someone with such a hatred for religions you bring it up more than anyone.Morning_star
- HAVE YOU READ THE ORIGINAL POST? THIS IS ABOUT RELIGION AND SCIENCEmonospaced
- I'm just going along with the original idea that science isn't a belief system... like religionmonospaced
- It has you believing none of the aforementioned stuff is real. How is that not a belief system...?set
- non belief isn't a belief system, like "off" isn't a channel on tvmonospaced
- mono, you claim "We know it's fucking bullshit." There's your belief right there. Or are you claiming you ACTUALLY know.Morning_star
- I KNOW there aren't angels or miracles, just like I know there isn't a Santa Claus or a monster in the closet at nightmonospaced
- Hahaha!monospaced
- "Do I have psychic abilities? No more or less than any other human." So basically no you haven't?ukit2
- You know, the difference between this and something like dark matter or the Higgs is that you would expect those to only be documented in extremely difficult experimental studies. Whereas psychic powers supposedly interact with our everyday lives, on a scale that people can see and experience directly.ukit2
- only be documented in extremely difficult experimental studies. Whereas psychic powers supposedly interact with our everyday lives, on a scale that people can see and experience directly.ukit2
- interact with our everyday lives, on a scale that people can see and experience directly.ukit2
- Honestly, I don't know,Morning_star
- And yet in all of years spent studying it, not a single video or straightforward demonstration of these amazing powers...kind of strange don't you think?ukit2
- amazing powers...kind of strange don't you think? :Pukit2
- I do however trust the results and interpretation of research that I've pointed out.Morning_star
- utopian0
- Really. We can't see it....We don't know what it is...It's invisible... It's wishy washy speculation dressed up as science fact. There's more evidence for bigfoot FFSMorning_star
- evidence for Bigfoot FFSMorning_star
- But it's there, regardless of if we can define it completely.monospaced
- There is no 'IT'. 'IT' isn't there, its gravitational effect can be measured but there is no 'IT'. Whatever DM is, it doesn't fall in to the Standard Model and is arguably non-material.Morning_star
- to the Standard Model and is arguably non-material. At that point your materialist scientists invent extra dimensions.Morning_star
- Can't see it, or prove it but believe it. Where have I heard that before? :)ETM
- ha, you guisemonospaced
- Morningstar, how would you like it if people dismissed design or whatever you do for a living without understanding a thing about it?ukit2
- about it? I think a little humility is called for when you're talking about things so far outside of your understanding.ukit2
- I do get dismissed on a daily basis : ). What I do is essentially subjective and so opinion counts, the same with speculation about the nature of dark matter. It can't be measured by any of sciences universal laws and is therefore beyond conventional understanding. New thinking and consideration of the nature of the universe has to be explored and if the current model doesn't fit then my opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's. That video claims to explain dark matter and does nothing of the sort. If you're content to believe what you're...Morning_star
- the nature of dark matter. It can't be measured by any of sciences universal laws and is therefore beyond conventional understanding. New thinking and consideration of the nature of the universe has to be explored and if the current model doesn't fit then my opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's. That video claims to explain dark matter and does nothing of the sort. If you're content to believe what you're peddled without questioning it then that's cool but I'm not. Science is evidence based and with no evidence then all you have is opinion, speculation...Morning_star
- understanding. New thinking and consideration of the nature of the universe has to be explored and if the current model doesn't fit then my opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's. That video claims to explain dark matter and does nothing of the sort. If you're content to believe what you're peddled without questioning it then that's cool but I'm not. Science is evidence based and with no evidence then all you have is opinion, speculation and debate until hypotheses are formed and experiments can be performed.Morning_star
- then my opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's. That video claims to explain dark matter and does nothing of the sort. If you're content to believe what you're peddled without questioning it then that's cool but I'm not. Science is evidence based and with no evidence then all you have is opinion, speculation and debate until hypotheses are formed and experiments can be performed.Morning_star
- of the sort. If you're content to believe what you're peddled without questioning it then that's cool but I'm not. Science is evidence based and with no evidence then all you have is opinion, speculation and debate until hypotheses are formed and experiments can be performed.Morning_star
- evidence based and with no evidence then all you have is opinion, speculation and debate until hypotheses are formed and experiments can be performed.Morning_star
- experiments can be performed. .Morning_star
- "my opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's"
You know some people actually study this stuff their entire lives :)ukit2 - entire lives :) And here you are jumping in and saying it's nonsense, and oh by the way this paranormal research stuff, that's totally believable.ukit2
- that's totally believable.ukit2
- Look at that video and tell me what DM facts you can take from it?Morning_star
- You were critiquing the entire idea not just the videoukit2
- As I say in my post (down there v), I claim nothing more than Lawrence Kruass in the you tube video I've linked.Morning_star
- The fact that you are acknowledging it exists is hypocritical. Yes, it exists, it's matter, and science figured that out.monospaced
- You know it's matter do you? Any proof? Anything testable? a repeatable experiment perhaps?Morning_star
- How is acknowledging IT hypocritical. I've never question the existence of DM.Morning_star
- you can't say it's matter... hahahaset
- scarabin0
- unfortunately, science is corrupt so disregard all of thisscarabin
- GMO's are good for you and will solve all our food problems...yurimon
- it's true, science is a blight on mankind. we should go back to pooping in caves and eating dead things we findscarabin
- the ancients knew all along, because they are so oldscarabin
- absolutely fucking amazing what we are unlocking...and it's not because we have our heads in the sand_niko
- Its is amazing but its not all to our benefit as it seems. Scientific utopian ideasyurimon
- http://media.tumblr.…scarabin
- Like I'm going to be effected by a young dude who thinks he knows it all but hasnt lived enough yet.yurimon
- i had more sense by the time i was ten than you do nowscarabin
- < Spoken like every young prick, though out history ever no exception. you will see if you are really smart some years down.yurimon
- says the guy that called people "tards"hereswhatidid
- I dont do it from ego...yurimon
- yurimon, you have some nerve calling people stupid when you clearly struggle to write a coherent sentencemonospaced
- lolscarabin
- ukit20
If psychic powers are real like Dean Radin says, wouldn't this be pretty easy to demonstrate? Why would we need to be arguing over whether his experiments were peer reviewed, when you could just film someone levitating an object or predicting a future event?
- There are lots of experiments with peer reviewed results looking at Remote Viewing, Telekenetic Influence, Prediction, Placebo etc. The fact is that most of it is never considered due to the dogma of mainstream science.Morning_star
- Placebo etc. The fact is that most of it is never considered due to the dogma of mainstream science. Scientists fear the taboo of 'paranormal'.Morning_star
- of the paranormal.Morning_star
- yes, but aside from a proton acting randomly or not, there's no evidence for mind controlmonospaced
- What are the experiments supposed to show though?ukit2
- That telekinesis works but only on a micro level?ukit2
- are you really still insisting the placebo effect is an example of paranormal abilities?hereswhatidid
- No. Are you still insisting that this universe is purely materialistic.Morning_star
- I'm assuming you guys havent experience anything extra ordinary or havent met special peopleyurimon
- no, we just haven't been stupid enough to think they were beyond the natural lawmonospaced
- its part of natural law. Some people are more sensitive then other. like yourself. your consciousness.yurimon
- it like trying to take 30 gigpixel with a 1megapizel brainyurimon
- photo i meansyurimon
- detritus0
I had a thought a few years back —
What if gravity is actually a repulsive force, exhibited by vacuum space and somehow inhibited by mass?
What if the entire fundamentals of our perspective are completely wrong and assumed, and we don't walk on our feet and legs, holding ourselves up as we allow our hands to wave through the air - what if up is down and we are like geckos on the ceiling, hands keeping us pushed away from the mass, hands dangling in space, waving?
The models would still work, the formulas still be correct, it's just that everything is back to front?
- the bud is strong with this one, young jedi.lvl_13
- "'legs' dangling in space, waving" evendetritus
- haha, fuck off! :)
(Although yes, I have just lit up)detritus - this is logical because all things are relativemonospaced
- reminiscent of dark sucker theory
http://www.asu.edu/c…set - i like itBrokenHD
- yurimon0
This was part of religion.
- Sounds more like math to meukit2
- Part of Hinduism in form of sutras...yurimon
- what Hindu scientific method created vedic math thousands of years ago?yurimon
- People did. Using their brains. It's not hard to grasp.monospaced
- they used meditation etc. introspectively, not by scientific method thoughyurimon
- So what? Math is just truth. It's not a belief system just because the Hindus used it.monospaced
- It's not like it came to them through a fucking supernatural god or some stupid shit like that. Those were some smart guys.monospaced
- Hindu believe god of creation having a dream etc. so go figure. sound pretty supa natural to me.yurimon
- and modern science will dispute introspective observation as bolonie not science.yurimon
- It superstitious at best. I bet they felt special figuring out advanced mathematics. Still doesn't mean it's supernatural.monospaced
- yurimon why don't you go meditate and come up with a cure for cancer then...ukit2
- drugskingsteven
- since that works so well...ukit2
- I don't see anything related to vedic maths that are remotely supernatural in their origin.hereswhatidid
- its part of Hinduism dawg. a religion.yurimon
- the natives medicine men say the plants told them the cures and some of them work..yurimon
- and? does that make it magic or supernatural? not at allhereswhatidid
- medicine men are just the lucky ones that happened to eat the non-poisonous plantshereswhatidid
- the others were too dead to be successful at practicinghereswhatidid
- yurimon0
A little better then religion debates.
However science isnt the end all know all. Its has been abused politically and militarily.
Like the whole global warming fiasco. Even though alot of discoveries have been made, big corp interests still keep certain industries in check. like automobile and energy. You should be teleporting already. but you still use gas because you make the Rockefeller's money and they tax the shit out of gas also.Yes it a method but it can also be used as propaganda. and people can believe the fallacies. just like religion trying to control what people do and think. Ideologies and methods change but for the most part your still little serfs in a system kept in check.
- and i can use a spoon outside of its intended purpose to kill a man. that doesn't make spoons bad. the use you're mentioning is a problem of society, not of sciencescarabin
- a problem of society, not of sciencescarabin
- < what scara saidinteliboy
- What are you going to do about it, now that you are so enlightened about this problem?yurimon
- i'm going to do what any scientist would and carefully consider the source and methods used to come to conclusionsscarabin
- What Scarabin says...bobkat
- Not a thing you said changes the fact that science is not a belief system.monospaced
- GeorgesIV0
I love science, but the way the masses approaches it is just wrong, you can't come out and say we know everything, science is perfect and can do no wrong,
that's bullshit, yet it is the attitude I see everyday on the web, and please don't put me in the same category of other users because I express a diverging point of view,
I feel it's just wrong to never talk about the fraud that passes as done deal, the peer reviewed paper who never were peer reviewed, the obscure financing practices, the experimental research on humans, etc...
being a scientist doesn't make you better nor more special than anyone else, so a little bit of scrutiny would be appreciated,
let me close my rant with a quote from one of the greatest mind of the last century. when he realized what he had accomplished..
"We knew the world would not be the same. Few people laughed, few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another."
- Robert Oppenheimer
- I agree with this, why would we put you in a category for saying it?ESKEMA
- * tilt tin foil hat
"because when you criticize science, you're automatically labelled a retarded creationistGeorgesIV - This is precisely why for many, science is definitely a belief system.mrrgl
- at least it makes sense!monospaced
- Those problems are people / society related. Not science. It just happens that scientists are humans and there is alsoESKEMA
- Stupid scientists. Nothing new there...ESKEMA
- you see, you will never accept that some science is flawed, how can you not say it's belief based.. do you even see it?GeorgesIV
- people are flawedscarabin
- Morning_star0
Eskema - "they didn't invent it, they theorize that it should exist"
Could you tell me what the difference is? Because the way i understand it is that the current theories in particle physics couldn't account for the mass and gravitational influence that some galaxies were exhibiting so a new state of matter 'Dark Matter' was INVENTED - essentially to plug the hole in existing theories. It has been the intention of experiments like the LHC to find evidence for this. They haven't.
- Of course when you get to the limits of knowledge theories are required. Why does it bother you?ukit2
- I find it frustrating that most people blindly follow science without question. It isn't the empirical bastion of hard fact and evidence that it claims to be.Morning_star
- Most people don't even think about such experimental topics as dark matter.ukit2
- evidence it claims to be. It is dogmatic and flawed.Morning_star
- why without questions? Are you nuts? Science IS questions.. And ultimately a lot of questions about establishedESKEMA
- facts..ESKEMA
- I believe you're wrong. The universal constants fluctuate and change. There's a committee that averages and publishes them annually.Morning_star
- them annually. Much like the Council of Nicaea ;)Morning_star
- You can try all you want to say science is as mythical as a "belief system" but it only makes you look more stupid.monospaced
- Because no matter what, it's not as ludicrous as gods and miracles and praying. That shit is bonkers stupid.monospaced
- Why do you always revert to religion. 'It may be stupid but not as stupid as...' statement is weak and powerless.Morning_star
- semantics.kingsteven
- tru. very tru.Morning_star
- I know he wrote 'belief system' in the OP, but we all know he's comparing it to religion. That's the WHOLE POINT of this.monospaced
- palimpsest0
- Annie, are you OK?palimpsest
- wow, someone actually blue himself._niko
- You're still the pun master @_niko.
<3palimpsest - #oldnewsimbecile
- Papa Smurf was a fucking retardutopian
- monospaced0
Test reproduced by independent labs and there is absolutely no superconductivity at room temperature. They most definitely did NOT get it this time.
- :(monospaced
- I really wanted this to be real. Ughmonospaced
- Still do!monospaced
- Who are you science boy?grafician
- excuse me?monospaced
- in the link from sted, a bunch of the labs had partial success, so something is happening or they are close_niko
- Yupmonospaced
- one independent lab.
also if it works, industry labs are already thinking about and developing implemantations.uan - We’ll see but the fact that it hasn’t been absolutely confirmed despite the worlds top labs working on it constantly for weeks is very worrying.monospaced
- In fact, there’s little to back up the claim at all, that’s verified. Nothing to confirm the claim in any way sadly.monospaced
- except 2 theoretical calculations that claim it could work.
https://www.science.…uan - blog post is old (2weeks), but I want to read his next update before I jump to conclusions:-)uan
- it’s now 2 months old and still no confirmationmonospaced
- https://www.science.… 2 possible explanation according to this update.uan
- 1) entire initial report was bungled
2) Authors are about a patent for creation of material. he links a patent application in Korean.uan - Thanks for that. Even the author agrees that there’s almost no likelihood whatsoever that it’s anything but a bullshit study and claim.monospaced
- yuekit2
Ancient stone tools thought to be made by humans may have actually been created by another species
- utopian0
Scientists think there’s a mirror universe where time moves backwards.
Some scientists say that our universe could just be one side of the coin. The other side is something they call the “anti-universe”. It’s basically a hypothetical mirror universe where time moves backward.
- https://c.tenor.com/…dbloc
- T E N E Tnb
- Benjamin ButtonNBQ00
- Deterministiccannonball1978
- BaskerviIle2
blob:https://imgur.com/da474a2c...
This is big:
https://deepmind.com/blog/articl…- d'ohBaskerviIle
- It happens, no worries.helloeatbreathedrive
- yuekit2
- Great discussion with Chomsky about linguistics, aliens, AI, other science topics...yuekit
- Oh man, I really hope we'll enjoy his wisdom for more years, he looked very frail in other videosgrafician
- His voice has gone a bit but he gets into some incredibly complicated stuff in this video...all I can say is I hope I'm that lucid at 91.yuekit
- @yuekit compounded knowledge...grafician
- utopian3
- tldr: it may have active volcanoes. overblown headline. it's exactly as much of a hellscape as we thought.sarahfailin
