Negotiating a Bonus
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- vaxorcist0
you could of course just keep track of the illegally installed software all over the office computers.... and make a phone call to Adobe if they don't follow through on their promises..... almost every startup has some illegally installed software somewhere....
but that would be a low blow... hmm.....
- pig0
- randommail0
If they don't end up keeping their promise, make it clear to them that you now see them as untrustworthy people. But respond as a gentleman - you're willing take double the cash value in vacation days.
- whatthefunk0
Ahhhhhhh, now dealing with the counter offer from my original company who is offering considerably more then the new company's offer in the way of pay, bonus, title, choice of team, and travel. I'm now in the middle of two negotiations and this shit is stressful!!!!
(*should simultaneously post in first world problems thread)
- sine0
seriously though, my bonus is a 13th check (as standard). i didn't read the thread completely, so if you're talking about bonuses based on projects, etc. i have no idea.
13th checks are usually paid either at the end of the year, or in your birthday month (if the company wants to spread the expenses.)
and bonuses aren't taxed special. just declare your income as usual. you'll pay tax on it as per your usual salary.
- monNom0
Anything not in writing is not part of your agreement. A new mgmt team won't be bound by your previous teams verbal commitments, and if the 'other budget' is out of money, that's your tough luck.
You might ask for bonus #1 as a signing bonus - as a show of good faith since they won't commit to anything in writing. Honestly though, it doesn't sound like you'd be in a good situation to bargain from... better that they talk to the boss and get your salary budgeted from the start.
- stoplying0
Two bonuses means you get taxed twice...one for each bonus.
- cannonball19780
Do you expect bonus points when playing a video game? Work bonuses are no different.
- Frosty_spl0
I was suppose to get a raise last month, I spoke with HR and she said they know how hard I work and I was "first on the list" to get one after our CEO speaks with corporate.
It never appeared on my check, and I don't want to talk to HR again.
- so I guess you don't want the bonus? what's wrong with a quick call to HR?monospaced
- sine0
give me a fucking bonus!
no.
ok...- hahahawhatthefunk
- hmm..... trying not to take this literallyvaxorcist
- cannonball19780
Above all when negotiating: don't be a pussy.
- whatthefunk0
Without going into details this company has one owner who is TOUGH. Know as a very wealthy individual who is responsible for MANY companies and it's known that if a CEO or VP needs to speak/negotiate with this person it better be VERY WORTH IT. So much so that many company decisions are made in a way that doesn't involve the owner (who owns like 75 other companies) because the owner has to approve/see everything... that's an added element that makes me think they'd rather just cut a check from another budget without getting into all that. Especially since this is a new team starting - hell, I don't know anymore.
- Either this new team and the ppl in it are important to them, or not. Either you're worth that salary or you aren't. Figure it out.i_monk
- bjladams0
verbal contracts stand up in court as long as there's a witness...
and i understand that there are different accounts for separate spendings... but the way you present the story delivers as shady - especially since they wont put it in writing.
- whatthefunk0
Pulling monies from a separate budget is not uncommon in corporate environments. For instance you can negotiate for a "spot bonus" that would be pulled from separate coffers after a department's salary budget has already been finalized. I don't believe this to be shady but certainly creative accounting.
uuuuuuu - verbal contracts do stand up in court, you are right, but not a great feeling talking about court while considering making a move.. not a great sign but unfortunately it's a reality nowadays.
thanks all for your thoughts - shit is tricky
- uuuuuu0
So I will tell you my shitty bonus story but it wasn't in a real professional context and before I ever had a real job or considered things like written agreements... but anyway I was working at this plaace that told I was to be laidoff in about 5-6 months but was told if I stayed until the end I would get a bonus based on a bunch of numbers and metrix and stuff and things like my attendance. I didn't have anything to lose so I agreed and stayed working there until the end of the term.
On my LAST day I artamged to me with the supervisor to basically confirm and verify what my bonus amount was going to be and he had all worked out in a spread sheet for me showing me the qualifying numbers and my pay out. So I leave the place for good thinking I'd get another 2k on my last paycheck. Wasn't on the check so I call in asking what is happening with the bonuses and I'm told I didn't qualify anymore because they "audited" the numbers and I was cut from the list by .02 PERCENT OF ATTENDENCE!!!!!! My attendance was fine but they started dinging me on like fucking everything, bathroom breaks, talking when I should be working... So I lost the bonus after they told me I was getting it by about .02 attendance points. I never felt so screwed in my life and I freaked on them on the phone, I couldn't do shit about it either unless I wanted to waste time and money on a law suit that I probably wouldn't win. They were a BIG company and I was naive and inexperienced, they knew i too.
- sherm0
record it!
- uuuuuu0
Legally it would be a verbal contract but this would probably only help you if you got screwed then took it to court.
- bjladams0
if they're that upfront with you about how shady they are with their own accounting... i'd not be very willing to trust them with a verbal agreement...
- i_monk0
Get it in writing or walk away.
- identity0
how bad do you need the job?
Just be definitive with them - you're building a relationship with them, and them with you. If they don't give the bonus - as promised - leave. Let them know you're considering the bonus as part of your salary - and creative accounting aside - you trust them to follow through on their promise; noting that you will follow through on yours.