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  • tgqt

    Article: http://thestartupfoundry.com/201…

    App: http://tumultco.com/hype/

    Can't wait for Boz to rip this to shreds....

  • Aper0

    Dont believe it

  • monospaced0

    About time!

  • GeorgesII0

    another aviary,
    lets try it first before once again calling the death of flash

    • Flash is dead!!!
      *opens 2 advanced and weeps*
      Hombre_Lobo
  • GeorgesII0

    and it's probably called hype for a good reason

  • identity0

    Its on the app store - read some reviews on it yesterday. Like any first version, it's pretty incomplete - but people keep talking about it potential... Competition for Adobe, heaven forbid...

  • GeorgesII0

    ^
    but, but they left apple to make this,
    it must be good,
    didn't you READ, they left "Apple"

  • Boz0

    I wish them good luck.. but basically they are building the same thing that everyone (including themselves) have been shitting about in regards to Flash..

    If they are trying to sell me that all that animation and stuff they'll be empowering basic and intermediate users to create will run flawlessly without any CPU lag and issues I have a bridge to sell you.

    From his interview, I would say he has one thing wrong "HTML5/JS/Canvas as it is is also not meant for mobile" and that's why Google and Apple and everyone else pushes native apps on the mobile devices because they know that JS/Canvas or CSS3 stuff even if hardware accelerated just doesn't cut it.

    The reality is that they are creating something we've already went through with Flash and FINALLY the performance issues, the GPU acceleration, the absolutely awful sites are behind us and Flash and Flash Builder have evolved beyond just a simple fancy pantsy animation tool.

    Hype is Flash 1.0 in relative terms and thanks to this I can bet you whatever money that you will be seeing some absolutely horrific things done in HTML5/JS with this tool. Even worse than Flash.

    I am almost positive that Adobe will offer AS3/Flash files to HTML5/JS/Canvas stuff before they can say version 2.0.

    We already have Jangaroo and PinacleCode that do AS3 to HTML5/JS.. all Adobe has to do is integrate it in Flash/Flash Builder and that's the end of Hype.

    As always, I'm not necessarily Flash or nothing.. I don't think anyone who knows me and read my posts can say that.. All I want is great tools and IDEs (like Flash/Flash Builder) and refined and beautiful OOP language like AS3. ECMAScript 5 looks like a good contender even though it's not really OOP but it has a lot of fixes that cause/caused issues with JS so far.

    If browsers can allow me to build HTML5 experiences with multi-channel sound, access to cameras and live streaming, polished JS/JQuery/whatever or a framework that emulates proper OOP practices, unified CSS3 styles and great tools, I have nothing against ditching Flash whatsoever. But anyone who's remotely realistic knows that this is not gonna happen for a loooooong time, if ever, and all the new fancy ECMAScript 5 and other stuff along with HTML5 won't be ready for prime time as long as you have IE6 which accounts for about 50% of the web at the moment.

    It's getting there but that's all moving at superbly slow pace. The only chance web standards/browsers have to really outmatch Flash in what it can do is NaCl, but that's not even begun really based on the presentation given about the future of web at Google I/O 2011.

    But, I don't have problem with these guys at all.. I wish them all the luck and hope they make a kick ass tool.

    • Pnnacle Code = Particle CodeBoz
    • agree with pretty much all of this apart from ie6 being 50% - its notfadein11
    • yeah I pulled that one out of the ass.. i think it's around 20-25% after quick glance at the numbers (but that's most likely in US), in the world it's much higher number.Boz
    • in US), on a worldwide level I'm pretty sure it's still pumping away.Boz
    • yup, just assume everyone else is on ie6... Boz loves making an ass of himselfAmicus
  • Boz0

    I wish them good luck.. but basically they are building the same thing that everyone (including themselves) have been shitting about in regards to Flash..

    If they are trying to sell me that all that animation and stuff they'll be empowering basic and intermediate users to create will run flawlessly without any CPU lag and issues I have a bridge to sell you.

    From his interview, I would say he has one thing wrong "HTML5/JS/Canvas as it is is also not meant for mobile" and that's why Google and Apple and everyone else pushes native apps on the mobile devices because they know that JS/Canvas or CSS3 stuff even if hardware accelerated just doesn't cut it.

    The reality is that they are creating something we've already went through with Flash and FINALLY the performance issues, the GPU acceleration, the absolutely awful sites are behind us and Flash and Flash Builder have evolved beyond just a simple fancy pantsy animation tool.

    Hype is Flash 1.0 in relative terms and thanks to this I can bet you whatever money that you will be seeing some absolutely horrific things done in HTML5/JS with this tool. Even worse than Flash.

    I am almost positive that Adobe will offer AS3/Flash files to HTML5/JS/Canvas stuff before they can say version 2.0.

    We already have Jangaroo and PinacleCode that do AS3 to HTML5/JS.. all Adobe has to do is integrate it in Flash/Flash Builder and that's the end of Hype.

    As always, I'm not necessarily Flash or nothing.. I don't think anyone who knows me and read my posts can say that.. All I want is great tools and IDEs (like Flash/Flash Builder) and refined and beautiful OOP language like AS3. ECMAScript 5 looks like a good contender even though it's not really OOP but it has a lot of fixes that cause/caused issues with JS so far.

    If browsers can allow me to build HTML5 experiences with multi-channel sound, access to cameras and live streaming, polished JS/JQuery/whatever or a framework that emulates proper OOP practices, unified CSS3 styles and great tools, I have nothing against ditching Flash whatsoever. But anyone who's remotely realistic knows that this is not gonna happen for a loooooong time, if ever, and all the new fancy ECMAScript 5 and other stuff along with HTML5 won't be ready for prime time as long as you have IE6 which accounts for about 50% of the web at the moment.

    It's getting there but that's all moving at superbly slow pace. The only chance web standards/browsers have to really outmatch Flash in what it can do is NaCl, but that's not even begun really based on the presentation given about the future of web at Google I/O 2011.

    But, I don't have problem with these guys at all.. I wish them all the luck and hope they make a kick ass tool.

    • ah shit, who's the mod here.. delete this extra post please, it double posted when I hit Broadcast.Boz
  • monospaced0

    You're totally right on this one Boz. It is pre-beta in a lot of ways and will be processor intensive as it is developed, just like Flash. The big difference is that it's not Flash, it's HTML5 and we don't even have to get into why that's significant.

    I also agree that by the time these guys have an application that's actually worth using that Adobe will have their tools in place and adopted by developers. I can't wait to see how it pans out, and I wish them all the luck and hope they make a kick ass tool as well.

  • moldero0

    awesome nav, reminds me of flash 10 years ago
    http://tumultco.com/hype/gallery…
    wtf? really? LOL
    http://tumultco.com/hype/gallery…
    amazing:
    http://tumultco.com/hype/gallery…

    its the future, and "progress" is running in reverse.

  • SteveJobs0

    Let's put it this way. It's a good thing those guys can always go back to work for apple.

  • mightyj0

    At first I thought it was the popular flash framework by Branden Hall Hall and Joshua Davis:

    http://www.hypeframework.org

    they created the animation for Watson on Jeopardy with it:
    http://www.hypeframework.org/blo…

  • Boz0

    there is also one HUGE problem with HTML5/JS apps and stuff..

    How will you share it? If anyone thinks that any social or commercial site will allow you to push iframes or execute JS code on their platforms/sites, you are batshit crazy.. not only it's a security risk but you can load whatever you want in those iframes.

    So let's say you do make a banner with this tool. It's animated beautiful and all that jazz.. would definitely like to see how you will share that across the social sphere and how you can embed interactive content like Flash apps and widget and players into the Facebook streams and other places.

    People don't want to believe it, but as much as propriatery is not great, the runtime aspect of Flash solves way too many problems to be replaced and there aren't real, tangible solutions to what it already does but in HTML5/JS.

    A couple of things where i think it's just impossible to avoid:

    1. Access to cameras, microphone, and basically hardware
    2. Sharable and social. Flash offers full blown applications to be shareable anywhere on the web without breaking security and causing headaches.
    3. Multi-bitrate video streaming, HTTP streaming, Peer-to-Peer video streaming, Flash Media Server various capabilities etc
    and quite a few other things.
    4, Not ot mention the full GPU acceleartion, new Stage Video, video with alphas, advanced audio support and manipulation, advanced bitmap data manipulation etc etc.

    There's a reason why big video sites Vimeo, YouTube and others still have object tag for embed and sharing. iFrame just doesn't work and the proof is very simple. Try embeding an iFrame sharable video from Vimeo on QBN in your post. But you can embed YouTube. You can have YouTube because it's' flash and won't give QBN the headaches of thinking whether or not someone will hack the site or find some exploit with iframe or what have you.

    And in the world of social interaction on the web, sharing your shit and promoting stuff, this is just unacceptable.

  • mightyj0

    really not bad for 30 bucks though

    • should be free. it's a wrapper for an existing technology. the same way jquery is for javascript.SteveJobs
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  • chrisRG0

    HYPE looks a lot like SENCHA animator, which has been around for a while but doesn't have all the buzz.

    http://www.sencha.com/products/a…

    • yeah I tried Sencha Animator.. it was a mess.Boz
  • duhsign0

    unfortunate name choice...

    • < i was just thinking that. Many time, hype is all gas.shellie
  • utopian0

    Don't believe the hype - its a sequel... As an equal

  • ukit0

    "There's a reason why big video sites Vimeo, YouTube and others still have object tag for embed and sharing. iFrame just doesn't work and the proof is very simple. "

    Actually YouTube switched to using iframes months ago. Object based embedding still works on sites like this, but try clicking embed...it gives you an iframe by default.

  • Boz0

    and that's ironic because I can't share that video pretty anywhere else without Flash or using object embed code. That's what I was saying..

    iFrame is useless when it won't work on 90% of commercial and various online social and premium sites. So I end up switching back like every single time.

    • nowhere but a personal wordpress blog will work with iframe because everyone has iframes blocked with embeds.Boz
    • Silly Google/YouTube!ukit
    • loltgqt