joshua davis bashing by CR
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- MrDinky0
I dont think its about haters.
Its traditionalist / purist vs new wave. So to speak
- Khurram0
niggas be hatin'
- digdre0
he even has his own apple page
http://www.apple.com/pro/profileā¦
- MrT0
Carson was a genius at post-rationalising all the crap he made with a bag of weed and a 70's photocopier.
- Khurram0
Yeah but he's become well pretentious withit, like it's all deep and that cos its "computer generated", like it wouldn't make a difference if he'd just used spirograph, and he's jsut doin the same thing he wuz 10 years ago it hasn't moved on like you know how Cool Herc started cross-fading and that. It's just like that. So i agree with it. What he said.
- janne760
this thread stinks.
art is always judged upon in the eye of the beholder, so it is subjective as fuck. so stop fucking whining.
jesus christ, discussing the meaning of art is like politics or religion.
one never wins.
- PrayStation0
Khurram... I don't think I took the article out of context I read the whole damn thing and he hated everybody... with the major exception of the *person* who worked on the Obama campaign... he even made the article more about Obama than the designer - "Obama saves type conference" NO "Sol Sender saves type conference"
"it seemed as though TYPO Berlin had been hijacked by the worst kinds of Americans." I wasn't even singled out... so was Esther Dyson... Chip Kidd, etc.
YES that's my problem... 1 guy goes to a type conference and his opinion is not SUM of all in attendance. so what's valid ? a media publication that reports non-biased on the SUM of all in attendance... or the opinion of 1 Wanker with a chip on his shoulder ? this isn't just a blog post it was in the mag.
I guess I'd take it better if it came from someone within our respected field... like M. Place... Davis is a douche... shit... it's true then... better throw in the towel for Cage Fighting.
- neue75_bold0
I don't think it's a case of anything vs anything here, we're just rapping, killing time, avoiding the inevitable... isn't that what we do here day in and day out?
- dibec0
I don't get it. I have always felt art to be subjective, you know "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Mr. Davis has been a pioneer in his field and done so very well. It's not for everyone, my father would prefer Monet or Renoir, my wife Frida, and I ... well I pretty much love art especially anything special or different. Jill Greenberg (photographer) has found a style and people/clients pay her big monies to obtain that look. It is no different for Joshua's work. He is making a living off what he does best and loves it.
Summary: Be it design, art, photography, etc. people will love or hate.
- dyspl0
this article is absolutely uninteresting, and well that's the main point to focus.
being heavily tattooed as an argument against J.davis is childish, and very weird for a professional journalist. the same goes with the everyone could do it.... is what we have to fight everyday? you know "now with photoshop every one could do it"....
In term of crticism I would be more interested in seeing an article about established studios doing work for companies / countries that clearly questions the problem of ethic in our job. fox ex psyop chinese olympic games campaign (which were great, but..), the tazer website currently in EC part, and having the pros and cons of doing such projects.
- what the fuck do you know about "journalism"?Khurram
- I know a bit about graphic design, which is the subject of the article right?dyspl
- sooo knowing that I might be able to decide weither or not the argument or good or bad. IMOdyspl
- IYO. Glad you can see that. Cos you made a comment on professinal journalism.Khurram
- honestly argument put is this article are weak for a JOURNALIST don't you think? this what was I meant, no more.dyspl
- It's just a dude's personal opinion on an event he attend. Designed to be controversial.Khurram
- If you disagree with it, furry muff, don't know where "professional journalism" comes into itKhurram
- it's not even controversial, there are not argument ni it. You post above mine as more argument than the article.dyspl
- wait, did you write that article? you seem pretty sensitive on the "journalism" criticismdyspl
- OMG IT'S SHIT!!Khurram
- No, i just think you have trouble distinguishing what is "journalism" and what is an opinion pieceKhurram
- As well as the difference between a magazine and a newspaper.Khurram
- you should take a break. having a hard day today?dyspl
- srsly "an opinion piece" don't kid me... It's an article in the creative review blog. It has to be printed to be journalism?dyspl
- *sigh*. You just don't get it...Khurram
- Khurram, i see your point. But having tattoo's doesn't have to do anything with the work.janne76
- so it is retarded opinion.janne76
- feel free to let me know what I might miss here in a post V. those notes a are too small, anoying as hell.dyspl
- But it's funny, that's writing, HAHA!!! HUMOUR!!! Takin piss... One man's opinionKhurram
- one bitter man's opinion hiding behind CR.dyspl
- Well, you can charicaturise him however you want. I just see a dude aggrieved that a Typo conference left him none the wiser vis-a-vis aka about typoKhurram
- wiser vis-a-vis aka about typoKhurram
- harlequino0
A number of years ago I friend to a friend's experimental music concert. Being a fan of many things avant garde I had no real expectations. But I hated it. Really hated it. He asked me later what i thought, and I was honest. Instead of being bummed out, he actually beamed at me and said "I'm so happy you had a strong reaction." That always stuck with me.
What I actually think about Mr. Davis' work is irrelevant. Almost as irrelevant as my own work so far in life. But hot damn I am endlessly impressed by someone who finds something, anything, that somehow resonates with a larger population. How incredible that must feel. It must feel that way becasue every time i see someone who has acheived that level of recognition for whatever reason, and no matter what I think of it, I still mutter "motherfucker" under my breath. As I am sure most everyone else does. Jealousy makes no exceptions for taste.
I'll take getting trounced in an industry rag over a mild pat on the head from a client any day of the week.
- teh0
Josh has recruited a cute girl these days from ZSO
- SteveJobs0
being able to make a living doing what you enjoy, whether it's art or providing a service is my definition of success.
and in this short life, not many of us have yet acheived that kind of success.
on a side note, i'm pretty sure if the guy at CR was writing this story about his son or a friend, it would have had a different tone. it's far too easy to disrespect those we've never met which is sadly a common human trait.
- dyspl0
"what the fuck do you know about "journalism"?"
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So now I have to know about journalism to apreciate if an argument is poor or not.... good to know.I don't know a lot about journalism, true but I know this article is shit.
- ceiling_cat0
oh fuck sakes, someone delete this thread already
- ah. where's your god now?Corvo2
- hahahahajanne76
- lolceiling_cat
- tOki0
Joshua Davis has a pretty awesome minecraft server. Deadmau5 often plays on it too.
- PrayStation0
cheers LOKi.
"Whether you like his work or not" "Whether your blown away or lose interest" "Whether it's trendy or dated" "Whether people are tired of hearing about it or not"
I'll be right here... still making work.
- stem0
The criticism seems a bit too personal. I simply think Josh doesn't fit in with CR's ideas of what a designer should look and sound like...
I know we all have to big our work up, but sometimes there is little more to it than making pretty pictures. Purely aesthetic, purely subjective. But CR love the "added value" side of design, sometimes trying to intellectualise it more than is necessary.
CR can be a bunch of pretentious twats sometimes.
- janne760
i know him from a few nice long chats and he's down to earth and stands up for his art. i can highly appreciate it in an age where the stench of marketing kills any and all artistic endeavour in design.