joshua davis bashing by CR
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- calculator0
This thread is irrelevant.
- ceiling_cat0
dis thred and teh blog is a lot of readin, sillie hoomans, srsly
- Horp0
The problem with the industry today is that it evolves so rapidly that amazing breakthroughs such as Joshua Davis' original work leave only the visual evidence, which dates and becomes old very quickly. I'm no fan of Joshua Davis' work but I think CR is very childish if it chooses only to look at the artifacts and forgets completely that the artifacts were once the result of something totally new and groundbreaking.
CR should be less juevenile in it's journalistic approach.
I once saw Cool Herc do a set at a hip hop festival. He was shit. Just a fat old man sat behind a couple of turntables, literally just playing one record after another and cross fading. Pitched between dazzling sets by the best scratch DJs of the time he seemed pathetic and people booed. It was easy to deride him for his poor skills, bit to do so would be to forget entirely that Cool Herc was the first person to ever even think about using two turntables, linked by an old theatre lighting fader he had found discarded behind a playhouse in Manhattan.
Respect should go to people for the innovation, even if the results of their moment pale over time as other advances are made.
We might as well cast scorn on the bloke who invented the lightbulb for making such a shitty, dull, horribly yellow piece of crap.
- hear, here..neue75_bold
- repect !typist
- excellent point.airey
- well putFallowDeer
- +2BaskerviIle
- wait, before you know it Khurram is going to tell you you don't know anything about journalism.janne76
- ooh, janne, i haven't seen this side of you before. It's well sexy!Khurram
- CR still has favourtes who actually seem okay at best but seem to get features everytime they fartbabaganush
- ceiling_cat0
i olmost had to wip out mie layser eyez
- francoisfido0
No-pattern
Horp
joshua Davis
Build(perhaps horp aside)
are not artists.- illustration
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graphic designfrancoisfido - Horp is an illustrator? I rather thought Horp was merely a made-up name, riffing on the scot's pronunciation of 'hope'Horp
- +perhaps bleating as art asidefrancoisfido
- (scot's should be Scot's, apologies)Horp
- illustration
- uncle_helv0
Horp forget Kool Herc... I believe Jimmy Saville was doing the continuous mix thing some 5 years previous.
You are bang on though mate, his Westside block parties and mixing breaks, were arguably the blueprint for Hip Hop, Break dance etc.
- Josh who?neue75_bold
- adigdre
- There is an ongoing arguement about whether it was KH or JS who first cross faded. I think they probably ...Horp
- both discovered it independently of each other and maybe JS was first, but Herc could not have known about Jimmy Saville.Horp
- i did it first.digdre
- stem0
I guess if you have found a successful "style" or approach which clients like and it keeps you in work, then there's nothing wrong with that. For all we know, he could have loads of other stuff up his sleeve or other stuff he's working on.
A lot of what has been said can be said of a lot of successful designers/artists/agencies - But why re-invent the wheel?
Yeah, you can argue about being creative for the sake of it and process and all that but a true creative person is the one who recognises when they are onto something instead of wasting time trying to do something "different".
- chossy0
Man I have a swollen arm, I'll need to get that looked at sooner than a mummy lover. Still though how amazing is my snout :D, you could fit that thing up loads of stuff.
- PrayStation0
Khurram... that's called making a living. slap slap slap.
janne76 it's usually the reverse for me... the trolling gets heavier.
chossy... I think this is what has totally confused me... in the 80's I looked a pop art and one thing was clear that the artists I was looking at had a very specific visual style. Yet people keep bringing this up... maybe I've got it all wrong... but I thought working toward an identifiable visual style was something you wanted to achieve.
someone brought up Robert Hodgin's work... while Robert jumped from Flash to Processing to Java to now C++ hit his Flickr page... and every image is undeniably Robert whether that work was create in any of the aforementioned technologies.
style is OK - I'd say it's the ultimate achievement but I'll try not to make this personal.
just because it's new... doesn't mean it's the best... if you can kill it in HYPERcard... kill it in HYPERcard.
- TINKLDN0
Not my cup of tea personally, but I don't see how it is ever healthy to put someone down because you no longer consider them relative.
At the same time a well considered opinion is something that you should be allowed to share. That should be encouraged. The sycophantic shouting of hater that you see here is just as tiresome as the users that like to shout RIP or Sell out, or whatever else it is that makes them feel better about their own work.
- MrDinky0
All I can say is that JD has been the guy who was in forefront in flash starting back in the days and still do but more in artistic sense.
i think commercialization is inevitable. Warhol had is factory and Koons have Koonies to realize his work. Not to say JD has an army. Bruce Mau said once that good designer do good work but great designer sell good work as great work.
I think what it comes down to is that digital art tends to treated as lesser of an art. After over 10 years, web / interactive is considered still not real design or art. And I think it still has a long way to go. Remember video artists?
Regardless I prefer crit to group love. I find group love doesnt get you anywhere. Personality wise, I expect anyone who is good to be a self absorbed ass (well except Sam Dallyn).
P.S. This post does not make sense, a mere brain dump.
- francoisfido0
mr davis, in relation to your production as an 'artist', could you elucidate your conceptual practise, for us non-believers?
- digdre0
wtf, no animated gifs in the comments? pfft
- ukit0
utopian can't spell
- PrayStation0
francoisfido... my Major at Pratt was Illustration. YES.
- Khurram0
Yeah exactly Joshua Davis.
What has happened here with your emotional reaction, and everyone elses, is that youv'e taken it out of context of the original CR article. Which was quite funny and you were only mentioned in two sentences and it was one man's experience of a typographic show.
I can quite see why he said your stuff looks like a desktop screensaver and is "stale". Cos it is a bit dated, and there is a thing as being dated otherwise we'd still all be into pop art and surrealism, but we're not cos we move on.
Thats not to not give you fair doos. Cos like when i saw your stuff and Yugop's stuff back in the day, i went out and bought Friends of ED Flash 5 Foundation and taught me sen action script and was well nerd into it (i've since reinvented myself as a cage fighter and have no business here).
And you know, you're a successful dude and trend whore marketeers pay you dolla dolla bills to design things, and well done!
But the dude went to a typo conference to be enlightened with typo stuff and all he got was you with stuff that looks like desktop screensavers, it's not even that clever really. So i guess he said it was rubbish in a funny way.
- We've moved on from Pop Art? Have we? Did I not get the memo?Horp
- fucking lolfrancoisfido
- Every generation expresses itself in its own way, Tim.Khurram
- Pop Art was not a moment Khurram, Pop Art is a thread weaving through popular culture. Its not in the same campHorp
- camp as time defined artistic moments.Horp
- Khurram, stop being a idiotceiling_cat
- But you know what i meant. The hay-days in the 50s/60s. Same with impressionism, abstract minimalism etc...Khurram
- It's more conceptual now, though you can clearly weave a thread going back to the beginning, that's trueKhurram
- bwahahahahaneue75_bold
- "taught me sen"
Absolute class LOLstem