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- Not_Just_Another0
I agree with Utopian a bit on the vague-ness of the site. Granted I'd not heard of Carsonified, but since the site was so design-orientated, at first I thought they were a digital agency or something.
I think I were to have had a stab at the design, I'd have focused on getting that message of what they do nice and clear.
Anyone here going to one of their tour dates? thinking of going to the Bristol one.
- dajaniel0
In response to johnnnnyh note on my last post, it's odd isn't it. I only guess that few web designers are charismatic/confident enough to get on a stage at a conference and talk about web design.
This 'rock star web designer' mentality has led to some really horrific designers becoming very famous and influential because they talk at conferences: a la Elliot Jay Stocks (http://elliotjaystocks.com/), Paul Boag (http://boagworld.com), Sarah Parmenter (http://www.youknowwhodesign.com... and don't even get me started on Larissa Meek (http://www.larissameek.com/)... Guess why she's famous...
- her "artworks" suck but I'd still do her!jimbojones
- http://elliotjaystoc… letterspacing of ATTACK duh :'(jimbojones
- GOOGLE ADS? FAILsection_014
- thought that too. modeling designers don't get much in this economy I guess.jimbojones
- I think Larissa Meek was in some crappy TV show.Anders
- isakosmo0
i went to their london conference (day off work hey). they had some interesting speakers about doing work fo rmobile apps etc, the tech side was ok as im not so skilled in that. then on came the carsonified designer for a talk titled something like 'the relation between graphic and web design'. well it was basically him showing running us through the design of his slides 'yeah then i put a drop shadow... then i kerned it here..' the biggest pile of pretentious and empty shit i've ever seen. fucking ridiculous. question time and a bloke goes 'so how does that explain the relation between graphic and web design?'. designer got well pissed off and couldn't answer. BAD, BAD, BAD
- airey0
all this discussion does bring many points to bare, certainly raising one issue above others,: are some of us getting enough and surely the time held truism "who gives a fuck"should probably be printed on a t-shirt and handed out with a qbn membership package, including light medication. obviously the type on the t-shirt would need to have top notch leading and kerning or it would possibly aggravate an already touchy subject.
- johnnnnyh0
"'rock star web designer' mentality has led to some really horrific designers becoming very famous and influential because they talk at conferences: a la Elliot Jay Stocks (http://elliotjaystocks.com/), Paul Boag (http://boagworld.com), Sarah Parmenter (http://www.youknowwhodesign.com... and don't even get me started on Larissa Meek (http://www.larissameek.com/)... Guess why she's famous..."
And there was me thinking I was the only one. Thanks for posting that. Honestly, I've been struggling to understand this for a while now. Distracted to the point of obsession perhaps - although maybe not really that bothered!
I too don't understand how these guys have "self promoted themselves". I've been in the business for a long time (too long) and there have been better designers along the way, all the way, but suddenly there's a clutch of people and everyone's seeing them as the greatest living designers and I was thinking hang on, this isn't that good. I mean, yes they can use photoshop and stich some html together, but really, is that so hard? I mean good design is good for so much more than that.
I just ended up thinking it was "emperors new clothes" and people were too scared to say that most of the body of work of these people is average at best. The kind of stuff most designers are pumping out in their day jobs week in week out. Most of it isn't even designed anyway - in terms of form/function etc.
I've heard the same as isakosmo about the conferences too. So have steered clear which means I can't comment on them, but my feeling is that there's a bunch of people who've figured a way to make money from this business without actually building websites. I've no problem with that, but I do wonder if we need to elevate web design into a "world tour", "rockstar" profession. Do accountants or solicitors or dentist do this? I know doctors have conferences but I they share knowledge on a completely different level and for a better purpose. What about mechanics or librarians, or I don't know. There aren't that many professions/industries that seem so far up themselves they can't see what's going on around them.
Maybe I've seen too much or am too far from this to see its value, but to be honest it's very narcissistic and suggests a deep insecurity about the value of our work/profession which some people feel the need to elevate way above what it's actual worth is.
Don't get me wrong good design is worthwhile but we do need to be realistic about it all the same.
- yeah, they've definitely tapped into a market, and positioning themselves as a 'cool' brand so people with no clue - like my boss who is pure IT - don't question it. selling the design tag to people who know nothing about design.isakosmo
- thank you. no, really, thank you for writing that down.jimbojones
- The tech side of what most those designers do is pretty good, eg Paul B and accessibility, but the design side makes me think I am in with a shot.harmsie
- in with a shotharmsie
- this is also an issue: DEVELOPERS should stop calling themselves DESIGNERS.jimbojones
- pascii0
rockstar designers, freshmen marketing people and brown tongued consultants ruined my life
- Dancer0
So do they have any web work to show or what?
- Not_Just_Another0
Johnnny, I reckon you've got a good point there.
I suppose if they were really in it to 'help' out the web community, they'd hold live webcam events or screen casts or whatever, something that's free and helps out anyone who's interested - not just those who pay to go.
I think the comparison to other professions is a good one. After all, if part of our profession is to enhance an online world, shouldn't they be promoting a massive online event as against a real world one?
There's an idea... I know TED do similar things, but are there any other companies who do online events like that? if not, there might be a market for it. I think the bosses of our companies would rather you sit and watch a webcast and learn without having to leave the studio...
- johnnnnyh0
They do, but as I said, nothing which you wouldn't see coming out of a "standard studio". I don't get the difference between them and many many others.
- jimzyk0
angry!
so angry!
bussesesess!
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- wrong thread?Not_Just_Another
- seems like the right thread to me.airey
- johnnnnyh0
An online event would make more sense all round. I agree.
- Not_Just_Another0
^ And surely the (online) event holders could generate revenue by having ads from sponsors (adobe, hosting companies etc)
- flashbender0
Working at Carsonified isn’t just a job - it’s a lifestyle.
- hahahahaha. ahhh. god bless ya.airey
- err, no, i think it is going to be a jobjohnnnnyh
- from the site, thier words, not mine ;)flashbender
- 'HEY, WANNA BE PART OF THE COOL CLUB?'isakosmo
- ********0
anyone remember that 2advanced topic from a few years ago?
hahaha
- neue75_bold0
- garfield approves..neue75_bold
- you're the man montgomery.airey
